Red Texas+Convict=?
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Would definitely be interesting, tho may have to wait till F2. Til' now I still haven't really found out exactly how fading works and whether or not it is encoded by a single genetic element or multiple ones, nor have I found out if it is/they're dominant or recessive. So your F1 may not fade, but F2 might, and a fading RT, but with bars would look mighty cool, if the bars are kept. Depending on how the genetics play out, the bars might still remain on top of a pearly red body, which would look awesome. 
One thing I notice about the Convict hybrids, is that half way between the lateral line and the dorsal fins, the bars seem to fade quite a bit, as seen in some of the examples in the big example thread. Which is interesting, really, as well, why that section specifically? Would be fun looking into the physiological aspects that causes that, definitely.
One thing I notice about the Convict hybrids, is that half way between the lateral line and the dorsal fins, the bars seem to fade quite a bit, as seen in some of the examples in the big example thread. Which is interesting, really, as well, why that section specifically? Would be fun looking into the physiological aspects that causes that, definitely.
I sold my male RT this weekend because he was beating up the female RT. I picked up a breeding pair of cons so hopefully when the female RT heals up I can try for the hybrid RT+Con. I think it would be a great combo red fade pearl with bars would be awesome!
Would definitely be interesting, tho may have to wait till F2. Til' now I still haven't really found out exactly how fading works and whether or not it is encoded by a single genetic element or multiple ones, nor have I found out if it is/they're dominant or recessive. So your F1 may not fade, but F2 might, and a fading RT, but with bars would look mighty cool, if the bars are kept. Depending on how the genetics play out, the bars might still remain on top of a pearly red body, which would look awesome.
One thing I notice about the Convict hybrids, is that half way between the lateral line and the dorsal fins, the bars seem to fade quite a bit, as seen in some of the examples in the big example thread. Which is interesting, really, as well, why that section specifically? Would be fun looking into the physiological aspects that causes that, definitely.
In my experience the fader gene works somewhat like a co-dom gene, I've seen a midas to con mating that produced 50% fader fry, acting like a typical co-dom trait.
However in the case of say a con to a parrot the numbers get skewed...I've seen people say everything from only 3 fry faded all the way up to fully 50%of the fry faded. I believe it's a co-dominant trait....except...the fader gene not be reactive with all species, if theres too low a % of midas/devil in the fry there may be fewer to no faders. Some pics I've seen of hybrid faders bear this out, for instance a con X parrot/firemouth X parrot/jd X parrot showing regular markings with a high orange wash underneath...as if the fader gene only affected them partially. I hope this is just a misconception.
Waiting for a con X parrot project to take off atm, they're paired but not quite ready yet. Hoping to test a lot of this out, If I'm right half the fry will fade. Theoretically if I bred a fader female back to dad or an unrelated con I should get the same results, 50% fader fry. So theoretically a (fertile) strain of fader cons is possible
I do think much could be done with RT and con, but I don't think you'll ever see bars on a fader DJZ. Pearls maybe, but the bars will be cancelled out by the fader gene. All you'll see is orange.
Sounds like it could be multiple genetic elements acting in tandem then, especially if the % of midevil genetic elements matter.
Please do let me know how your project turns out.
Hopefully will answer a lot of the questions.
Probably the only way to know for sure is to get a Midevil that is definitely fully homozygous for the trait to cross with a Convict or the likes to see what the genotype might be, but that'd take a looooot of work to determine that the Midevil is indeed fully homozygous.
Eh well.
Please do let me know how your project turns out.
Hopefully will answer a lot of the questions.Probably the only way to know for sure is to get a Midevil that is definitely fully homozygous for the trait to cross with a Convict or the likes to see what the genotype might be, but that'd take a looooot of work to determine that the Midevil is indeed fully homozygous.
Eh well.
So ironic...slightly ahead of you, traded the bp for a midas X con pair at my lfs today. But honestly, I won't even bother trying to determine if the midas is fully homozygous for fader....we'll just assume he is. If it is a hybrid I'm fairly certain it's hybridized with red devil, which also carries the gene.
This is notable...I googled every midas hybrid I could think of through google images today, which led to blogs/forums and more pics...invariably faders show up in the first generation of 50/50 fry. That spells some form of co-dom to me. My plan is to hold back several female faders from this initial Midas X Con cross, one of these will then be crossed to an unrelated male Convict, If I'm right as many as half of the resulting fry will be faders....hopefully 2 will fade anyway...one male, and one female; )
This is notable...I googled every midas hybrid I could think of through google images today, which led to blogs/forums and more pics...invariably faders show up in the first generation of 50/50 fry. That spells some form of co-dom to me. My plan is to hold back several female faders from this initial Midas X Con cross, one of these will then be crossed to an unrelated male Convict, If I'm right as many as half of the resulting fry will be faders....hopefully 2 will fade anyway...one male, and one female; )
. Lol, nice. Yeah 50/50 is definitely would indicate that it is neither dominant nor recessive, assuming it's just one gene/genetic element. Be very interesting to see the outcome of your cross.
) Hopefully this mystery can be solved once and for all. XD 50/50 in later generations sounds about right, if we see that then yeah, your theory will most definitely be right.