satanoperca leucosticta

[vfrstephen]

I have finally setup my breeding tank for satanoperca leucosticta i have had for a few years. First i would like to know of any deformities before i make a decision to keep,sell the young because there are enough deformed cichlids in the hobby here as it is and most of them are obvious but i am not sure about satanoperca leucosticta they look alright to me but never kept them before.

Anyway they are in a 48 x 18 x18 with some blue cochus tetras, they did spawn once before in the 180 gallon but they seem to give up with other big fish present.

 

[JK47]

I am kind of confused on what your asking? Do your leuco's look as though they are deformed and could pass that traight on to fry, no. They actually look quite nice. The thickness of the black line in the dorsal is impressive. They look very nice

The footprint of your tank won't support adults for life though.

 

[vfrstephen]

Do your leuco's look as though they are deformed and could pass that traight on to fry

Yes thats what i am asking because with restrictions on the import of these fish there are some deformities around and was was just checking to see if my fish make the grade for healthy fry.

Thanks for your reply, hopefully they will spawn soon they are starting to clean a rock now with some tail slapping and jaw locking.

 

[Burto]

Which part of the country are you in? I might be interested in fry.

 

[vfrstephen]

Which part of the country are you in? I might be interested in fry.

Melbourne.

 

[Burto]

Buggar.

 

[JK47]

Do your leuco's look as though they are deformed and could pass that traight on to fry

Yes thats what i am asking because with restrictions on the import of these fish there are some deformities around and was was just checking to see if my fish make the grade for healthy fry.

Thanks for your reply, hopefully they will spawn soon they are starting to clean a rock now with some tail slapping and jaw locking.

Can you expand on that statement a little for us please? What do you mean/consider deformities?

If your breeding with the intent to distribute fry locally I would highly recommend only breeding fish that 1) come from reputable source 2) where aquired at the same time. Tracking down specimens from multiple sources can easily result in multiple fish of one or more of the many "cf" variants of Satanoperca leucosticta. There distribution is very large. Quick Google results just as an "example" for you to consider/research.

Satanoperca leucosticta
Satanoperca cf. leucosticta "Amazonas Red"
Satanoperca cf. leucosticta "Gold Spot"
Satanoperca cf. leucosticta "Gold Stripe"
Satanoperca cf. leucosticta "Rio Tapajós"
Satanoperca cf. leucosticta "Speckle-Back"
Satanoperca cf. leucosticta "Xingu"

^ this list is arguable by many peoples standards but none the less there are many different locale varients of s. leucosticta.

 

[vfrstephen]

Can you expand on that statement a little for us please? What do you mean/consider deformities?

If your breeding with the intent to distribute fry locally I would highly recommend only breeding fish that 1) come from reputable source 2) where aquired at the same time. Tracking down specimens from multiple sources can easily result in multiple fish of one or more of the many "cf" variants of Satanoperca leucosticta. There distribution is very large. Quick Google results just as an "example" for you to consider/research.

Satanoperca leucosticta
Satanoperca cf. leucosticta "Amazonas Red"
Satanoperca cf. leucosticta "Gold Spot"
Satanoperca cf. leucosticta "Gold Stripe"
Satanoperca cf. leucosticta "Rio Tapajós"
Satanoperca cf. leucosticta "Speckle-Back"
Satanoperca cf. leucosticta "Xingu"

^ this list is arguable by many peoples standards but none the less there are many different locale varients of s. leucosticta.

I bought mine at the same time about 2.5 years ago from the same l.f.s at about 2 inches each.

Deformties like crooked mouth. bent pectorals or what ever the satanoperca are suspectable of having through in breeding, i am not too sure so i thought i might get some opinions.

I thought breeding brother and sister would be a no no and buying from different sources good for mixing the bloodline. Yes i do intend to distribute them locally, what do you think of the quality?

 

[JK47]

I bought mine at the same time about 2.5 years ago from the same l.f.s at about 2 inches each.

Deformties like crooked mouth. bent pectorals or what ever the satanoperca are suspectable of having through in breeding, i am not too sure so i thought i might get some opinions.

I thought breeding brother and sister would be a no no and buying from different sources good for mixing the bloodline.

Mixing the blood lines is 100% a good thing to do, of course. What is their wild caught liniage? (F0, F1, F2 etc..) Yours do not look deformed in any way to me.

This is a seperate topic but relevent if you were to track down more from a different source. The trouble is this particular species varries from location to location. We are getting more into opinion here (mine) so keep that in mind but consider the irridecent spangling on the flanks of the fish. Yours only has spangling just under the dorsal, lacking any on the flanks. Looking at other leuco's some can be completely covered in spangling on the flanks. The black lining at the top of the dorsal is very prominent in yours, others not so much. Stateside here in the US, I would go back to the same LFS, ask them if they are able to get wild caught specimens from the same collection point. I know that is MUCH more difficult in Australia. As with most earth eaters it's all about location, location, location. I'm sure darth pike, ed burress or japes will chime and let us know if different locale sp will spwan with one another or if that presents a problem. I wouldn't.

 

[vfrstephen]

Mixing the blood lines is 100% a good thing to do, of course. What is their wild caught liniage? (F0, F1, F2 etc..) Yours do not look deformed in any way to me.

This is a seperate topic but relevent if you were to track down more from a different source. The trouble is this particular species varries from location to location. We are getting more into opinion here (mine) so keep that in mind but consider the irridecent spangling on the flanks of the fish. Yours only has spangling just other the dorsal, lacking any on the flanks. Looking at other leuco's some can be completely covered in spangling on the flanks. The black lining at the top of the dorsal is very prominent in yours, others not so much. Stateside here in the US, I would go back to the same LFS, ask them if they are able to get wild caught specimens from the same collection point. I know that is MUCH more difficult in Australia. As with most earth eaters it's all about location, location, location. I'm sure darth pike, ed burress or japes will chime and let us know if different locale sp will spwan with one another or if that presents a problem. I wouldn't.

I think no chance of f0 f1 f2 as these have been banned for import for at least 20 years not 100% sure how long maybe someone on mfk might know. The thing that bothers me is the inbreeding that occurs because of limited options of mixing the bloodline.

Another question i have is what temperature is best to breed satanoprca and what would you recommend for newly hatched fry food. Thanks for your help,
Stephen.