male just reached maturity 4 inches... females been trying for a few months and they finaly got it right... they are my youngest pair and on there first batch put out a huge group.... the male is the best looking of my group and i cant wait to pick his best male out for some selective stuff... today was they day i said i would switch over to t bars.....this spawn has got my interest back and i also picked up a t bar 2 boot... 1 of the best days of my fishkeeping up to this point