Saxatilis Questions

[CrenXing]

Picked up a sax pike a few weeks ago. Here are some juvie pics. I am guessing I will never get an id, but if anyone would like to guess, go for it.

Also, I was wondering. Since sax pikes seem to breed easy in the aquarium (or so I've heard), and they are so hard to tell apart, is it possible many of them are hybrids in the hobby now?

 

[HerCrenVie]

Very nice male Cr. lucius (females have conspicuous markings in the dorsal fin and less spangling and no "fishbone" striations on the flanks). No Crenicichla species is actually "easy" to breed in aquaria. There haven't been many successes. Why? Conspecific aggression. Since breeding within a species is already uncommon, hybridisation is very very unlikely. Also, if I'm not wrong, most pikes are wild-caught. Hybridisation in the wild is almost unheard of.

 

[reptech]

no need to say anything nicely put

 

[ShadowStryder]

In my opinion it is to early to tell what species of Sax it truely is, especially without collection locale. Also many Sax species are easily bred. Frenata, Lepidota, Menezesi and True Saxatillis to just name a few.
Go to the following site and Vin Kutty makes this statement on many of the Sax species descriptions. Also there is a recent thread of a member here who has a new brood.
I will agree that this is the case within the Lugubris groups.
http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/5491/photos.html

 

[HerCrenVie]

In my opinion it is to early to tell what species of Sax it truely is, especially without collection locale. Also many Sax species are easily bred. Frenata, Lepidota, Menezesi and True Saxatillis to just name a few.
Go to the following site and Vin Kutty makes this statement on many of the Sax species descriptions. Also there is a recent thread of a member here who has a new brood.
I will agree that this is the case within the Lugubris groups.
http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/5491/photos.html

It's Lucius because of the tail ocelli and the low number of spangles. Ok, Saxatilis pikes are easily bred, but I highly doubt anyone has created any Crenicichla hybrids. Have you?

 

[ShadowStryder]

Very nice male Cr. lucius (females have conspicuous markings in the dorsal fin and less spangling and no "fishbone" striations on the flanks). No Crenicichla species is actually "easy" to breed in aquaria. There haven't been many successes. Why? Conspecific aggression. Since breeding within a species is already uncommon, hybridisation is very very unlikely. Also, if I'm not wrong, most pikes are wild-caught. Hybridisation in the wild is almost unheard of.

I am not the one who said "No Crenicichla species is actually easy to breed in aquaria. There haven't been many successes. Since breeding within a species is already uncommon.

And since we were talking about the Saxatillis species, all I did was point out that these statements were incorrect and showed it with a reference site.
And I also pointed out that there was even a member who has bred them recently.
Also as for as Hybridization I never made the statement that anyone has created a Crenicichla Hybrid. In fact I never even mentioned Hybridization, you did. I stated that the Lugubris species was indeed hard to breed in aquaria.

 

[Oni Angel-Hannya]

The good thing about Pikes is the Wild Caught factor Just own a Pike and you got a WC fish!!!

 

[sicxspeed]

I would like to say that this is not a Lucius Pike.....It is early to tell, but Lucius will not have spangling at this age, and for the most part, Ever....There, I said it...but good try HerCren.