Severum Facial Pattern Development

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Non-gold fish resulting from crossings with red spotted golds are not ambiguous in their sexing. And I would bet money that “red spotted greens” are not red spotted gold crosses. There are tons of “green” Heros efasciatus both wild and in the hobby that have red or black spotting.

Also, sellers don’t always know what they’re selling. If all someone knows about the fish is a trade name and not its origin, I would take what they say with a grain of salt. I’ve been breeding Heros, wild and domestic, described and undescribed, for 20 years. They will be sexable at 4”+ by facial markings.

You should also know that in some juvenile Heros, like notatus, even females will get black freckling on their faces. That’s why I say you have to wait until they start “puberty” and showing secondary sex characteristics, because both males and females can grow out of juvenile coloration and surprise you.
 
Green severum females don't normally get facial markings, same as rotkeils. I say 'normally' only because it might be possible to get a cross with a species that does-- but as mentioned by ryansmith (post #10), most female Heros do not. Don't know how much I'd trust the dealer for taxonomic information, with a few exceptions (like TUIC) most are not expert in that area. As for rotkeil, they may or may not turn out to be a form of efasciatus.


Non-gold fish resulting from crossings with red spotted golds are not ambiguous in their sexing. And I would bet money that “red spotted greens” are not red spotted gold crosses. There are tons of “green” Heros efasciatus both wild and in the hobby that have red or black spotting.

Also, sellers don’t always know what they’re selling. If all someone knows about the fish is a trade name and not its origin, I would take what they say with a grain of salt. I’ve been breeding Heros, wild and domestic, described and undescribed, for 20 years. They will be sexable at 4”+ by facial markings.

You should also know that in some juvenile Heros, like notatus, even females will get black freckling on their faces. That’s why I say you have to wait until they start “puberty” and showing secondary sex characteristics, because both males and females can grow out of juvenile coloration and surprise you.


Should I just give the "red spotted greens" a try? Probability is in my favor that the males will show facial pattern at 4"+?
If that fails, then try the "common greens".
 
I have always bought fish in groups of 6 or 12. Once they start spawning you can just rehome the females.

You are saying that if gender ID by facial pattern fails, I can vent them instead?
They are not all gonna spawn are they? Does that mean that I will be able to vent all of the fish when only some of them spawn?
All the females will be rehomed, including the female of the pair/s? All the males stay in the tank, including the male of pair/s?
If I wanted to end up with 6 males, would it be overkill if I bought 15 unsexed?
 
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6 males will probably fight over territory. Severums are pretty peaceful for cichlids but are still good sized fish
 
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