Here’s another picture... not sure if any of these pics are helpful enough to determine their sex.
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In the bottom pic looks like male at top over eggs.
What is it that you’re looking for with the reds? I know facial marks are not accurate with them.
Ohhh okTbh I'm no expert but going by the dorsal and anal fin.
Ohhh okI was trying to get pics of the vent area. Hmmm.
Do you think I should try posting this in the Cichlid section as well?