sexing Dats

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Unfortunately I do not think there is a way to sex Datnoids, with no success at breeding them in home aquaria. I believe they breed them in Asia but from my understanding it’s pond like setting.
 
what about cross breeding silver with either wide bar or tiger dat has it ever been done?
 
From what I've read, Dats' breeding coincides with seasonal changes in the salinity of the water they inhabit...studies suggested that, I wasn't able to find anything concrete. So if you do plan on breeding and happen to find the right adjustments to the water, please let us Dat owners know :)
 
Theres no way to sex them externally. I havent heard of a successful breeding in a aquarium.
 
hence the whole reason for asking about sexing. Just incase I could or if an accidental breeding would happen.

Im always up for new challenges. trying to breed some Tapajos pike right now.

seasonal and salinity ey... so play with temps and salt, we shal see. would you know of a mature size (Ive heard/read 13")?
 
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