Sick Jau

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I have been growing out a Jau cat for about a year and everything was fine but about a month ago I noticed he wasn’t really eating and started to get concerned when he started changing color. He went from really dark to a light gray color. His eyes have also started to protrude, so he definitely sick I just don’t know what it is. Last week I did 3 treatments with Microbe-lift broad spectrum, but he still swims sporadically, his eyes are still protruding and still won’t eat. I am not sure what else I can do. Any impute would be appreciated.
 
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Texasrockwell said:
I have been growing out a Jau cat for about a year and everything was fine but about a month ago I noticed he wasn’t really eating and started to get concerned when he started changing color. He went from really dark to a light gray color. His eyes have also started to protrude, so he definitely sick I just don’t know what it is. Last week I did 3 treatments with Microbe-lift broad spectrum, but he still swims sporadically, his eyes are still protruding and still won’t eat. I am not sure what else I can do. Any impute would be appreciated.
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Check the freshwater disease guide
 
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ML BSDT is for external. With the fish swelling it sounds an internal problem. I have two things:

[1] If it is a bacterial infection (and the fish is not eating) it is best to give it a wide spectrum antibiotic via an intramuscular shot, behind dorsal into the muscle. I can dig up one excellent suggestion of the antibiotic by a peer. Or force feed it the antibiotic solution / suspension with or without food.

[2] The fish might be suffering from the B1 vitamin deficit. In this case I'd urgently give it a shot of vitamin B1 solution or force feed it with B1 with or without food, or give it a bath of vitamin B1 as they absorb from water too. It should start recovering in a few days.

Both of these ways are very stressful on fish, unless you sedate it with clove oil.

Both of these can also progress too far to do anything efficient about it.
 
thebiggerthebetter said:
ML BSDT is for external. With the fish swelling it sounds an internal problem. I have two things:

[1] If it is a bacterial infection (and the fish is not eating) it is best to give it a wide spectrum antibiotic via an intramuscular shot, behind dorsal into the muscle. I can dig up one excellent suggestion of the antibiotic by a peer. Or force feed it the antibiotic solution / suspension with or without food.

[2] The fish might be suffering from the B1 vitamin deficit. In this case I'd urgently give it a shot of vitamin B1 solution or force feed it with B1 with or without food, or give it a bath of vitamin B1 as they absorb from water too. It should start recovering in a few days.

Both of these ways are very stressful on fish, unless you sedate it with clove oil.

Both of these can also progress too far to do anything efficient about it.
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I would definitely try the force feeding, I have done that in the past with some success. Not confident about giving the shot it such a small fish. Any suggestions on the antibiotic and the dosage?

The fish has gotten dark again, but still has they whitish slime and bulging eyes.

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The fish doesn't look too bad in the photo. More and better photos would help. The whitish slime is a sign of stress. Hard to see how bad the eyes are bulging in the photo.

Why are your water changes so small / infrequent? Makes me wonder what your nitrate reading is by an API liquid test. This could be the smoking gun too as high nitrate cause digestion problems and make fish lethargic.

I'd look at nitrate first and foremost, then consider antibiotic, which is like shooting in the dark. There are peers on here who better the antibiotics. I use them very rarely and the older ones - erythromycin, bi-furan, oxytretracyclene.

The following is a suggestion from a very good peer from France, taken from comments under one of our videos.

Nicolas Florencio hello, when I have fish of this size that are sick I use an antibiotic called Marbocyl. I do two bites two days apart, it's very effective, it saved me an incalculable number of very expensive fish and in addition it costs much less than using a quarantine aquarium and putting tons of very expensive products


Hello, if I may allow myself a little advice from my own experience. When my fish develop signs of infectious disease (like that of this fish) rather than spending astronomical sums on products to put in the water, I use Marbocyl (two injections in syringes two days apart) miracles and it's very inexpensive. it's an antibiotic.

Me: Very helpful and kind of you to share, Nicolas!!! Thank you. I will make a note of it in my files. Are you able to buy it with or without prescription in France?

Nicolas: I'm picking up the syringes from my veterinarian. For a 10 kg fish it costs me a total of 3 euros ^^ made the comparison with products to treat fish of all brands, we are very far from the price I pay
 
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The fish has been living in my outdoor pond for about 8 months, and the pond probably has about 12,000 gallons in it, so my water changes don’t happen very often. I moved the fish into my 250 so I could treat him and keep a better eye on him. I will check the out door pond levels to see if thats a possibility, none of my other fish seem affected, though most of them are large fish.
 
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Texasrockwell said:
The fish has been living in my outdoor pond for about 8 months, and the pond probably has about 12,000 gallons in it, so my water changes don’t happen very often. I moved the fish into my 250 so I could treat him and keep a better eye on him. I will check the out door pond levels to see if thats a possibility, none of my other fish seem affected, though most of them are large fish.
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Is it possible that it could have been being picked on?
 
Oh it’s a repost I didn’t notice lol
My guess is that the other fish picked on it and caused a lot of stress weakening it’s immune system thus causing what seems to be some sort of bacterial infection or extreme stress

Do you think you can do better and more pictures ( of the eyes too)
 
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