Sintered glass versus ceramic rings?

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I've always used ceramic rings, a sponge and filter floss but I've heard a lot of people saying ceramic rings are for mechanical filtration, no bio.

I always thought they were for both, afterall they look fairly porous and I thought they had sufficient porous surface area for bacteria to thrive.

How much better is sintered glass like ehfisubstrat than ceramic rings? I'm thinking of losing most of the rings and buying some sintered glass.

What is the difference in surface area?

I'm sure Harley can tell me :D
 
I've always used ceramic rings, a sponge and filter floss but I've heard a lot of people saying ceramic rings are for mechanical filtration, no bio.

I always thought they were for both, afterall they look fairly porous and I thought they had sufficient porous surface area for bacteria to thrive.

How much better is sintered glass like ehfisubstrat than ceramic rings? I'm thinking of losing most of the rings and buying some sintered glass.

What is the difference in surface area?

I'm sure Harley can tell me :D


I think that cellpore is the way to go, but you being in England I'm not sure if it's accessible.....Is Keith Richards doing ok? Actually I guess he lives over here....

http://www.cellpore.com/
 
Howdy,

Ceramic rings are bio-mechanical filtration media and do a good job by themselves. I used to run a heavily stocked 20 gal with ceramic rings only - as every canister guy did about 20 years ago. It went fine, I never lost a fish. I think the sintered glass came out not quite 10 years ago, at least in Europe.
Sintered glass filtration has the advantage to provide more bacteria in your existing system, reducing the likelihood of ammonia/nitrite peaks and being more forgiving when you clean your filter: Even when you wash it out thoroughly, it still harbors enough bacteria to get going right away. Furthermore, it allows "over"stocking to a higher degree.

IMO, sintered glass is like ABS in a car: If you are a foreseeing and good driver, you hardly ever need it. But when you need it, it's good to have. Cars run without ABS, and fishkeeping was quite possible before the dawn of sintered glass.

I do not have numbers for EhfiMech, but Substrat and Substrat Pro have about 20.000 sqft/gal surface area. Bioballs have about 20-30 sqft/gal. Cellpore says their product has the surface area of 1 cubic inch = 300 bioballs, which makes it almost 50.000 sqft/gal for their product. It sounds like a lot, but it is not as big of a jump as the introduction of sintered glass was (orders of magnitude). After all, it only has about twice as much surface area. In biological systems, twice as much is not that significant.

Furthermore, surface are alone does not determine filtration efficiency. Judging from their website, water runs right thru the block of Cellpore. In contrast, other structures (round, hollow, rings) create larger turbulences, which create an even distribution of flow thru your media across the entire filter and cause more small dirt particles to settle down.

My advice: Stock your (canister) filter with about 1/3 ceramic rings and 2/3 sintered glass media. It works for me.

:thumbsup:
Harley
 
I love my ehfi substrat. then again I also like my eheim pretty good. I prefer the substrat to ceramic any day.
 
I prefer the substrat to ceramic any day.

From an engineering point of view, it makes sense to pack a filter with media ranging from coarse (Ehfimech) to medium (EhfiSubstrat/Pro) to fine (filter floss). This way, large particles get filtered out first without clogging up tighter spaces between substrat spheres. This results in longer unaffected flow rates, i.e. longer cleaning intervals :thumbsup:

HarleyK
 
i use the substrat pro and ceramic rings in one of my filter and only used the rings until recently.
my filters work loads better now with both.
 
thanks for the input people.

till now I have just been using say 4/5 ceramic rings and 1/5 filter floss which makes the water crystal clear, and a UV.

But just recently I got an ammonia spike, with about the same amount of filtration as your 180 dixie, 2 canisters and 2 internals. It's strange because I am not overstocked and the filters have been running since I moved in december. The tank cycled long ago.

The water is always kept crystal clear by the eheims, and another thing is even with minimal canister cleaning the flow rate NEVER drops, ever. Yet when I had a fluval canister the flow rate would rapidly drop every couple of weeks and I had to clean the whole thing out to get it flowing properly again.

The only thing I can think of is I have ****ty bio media.

And one coincidence - it happened just after I added some new driftwood (that I boiled for a few hours). A few days later the tank turned slightly yellowy and it tested for ammonia.

It seems very strange, because back in England with a slightly more stocked tank (the same tank), and lots of feedings this never happened, ever, and I only had 1 eheim then and 1 internal :confused:
 
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