small cotton ball growths

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John Rambo

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fish docs,
I have a group of 2" bartoni in bought with cotton like growths growing from their dorsal fins, and from within their mouths. It never gets worse or better. Ive had the fish for months and they are very active, eat and poop normal. Some other species (carpintis, turquoise...) are unaffected. I did notice my festae do have a few small cotton balls growing on their fins. It seems some species never contract what ever it is, but im affraid my festae have. Is this cotton mouth? The fish do not seem to deteriorate at all like i would expect with cotton mouth. What do I treat with?
Thanks
RAMBO
 
I recently lost both of my Chinese Hi Fins, 2" long, to something that affected only those fish, which manifested in a similar manner to what you are describing.

One did have a cottonball like growth inside its mouth, and had trouble opening its mouth. It was also very lethargic and tilted sideways while it hung listlessly in the water or rested on the substrate.

The second had severe fin deterioration but no other blemishes on its body, and nothing wrong with its mouth that I could see. It would ride the current from the airstone in a circular pattern, almost completely flat on its side. When it got out of the current, it righted itself and swam more normally. It continued to eat until the last couple of days when it just sat listlessly on the substrate.

Sounds like your cottonball symptoms are similar to what the one Hi-Fin had in its mouth.

The strange thing is, none of my other fish are sick, and my water quality is and has been very good for a long time. I have well water, and there is no ammonia in it and no nitrates from the tap. I test the tank water regularly to see that my cycle is holding, and my parameters are ammonia 0, nitrites 0, nitrates 10. It's a coldwater tank with a stable fahrenheit temperature between 65 and 68 degrees. My pH is 7.5, kH 4, gH 89.5.

I am thoroughly baffled as to what disease or infection these two fish had, but yours sound like they could be in the same situation, since your other fish are okay.

If anyone can shed some light on either or both of our situations (which I suspect are the same or similar), please do so. I've gotten literally no help with this, at all.

-- bigmamafish
 
This is a much better description and is symptomatic of cotton wool. Treat this with jungle tank buddies fungus clear. Google Cotton wool disease for more information and to check to see if your symptoms match.
 
Google offers conflicting information about this. One article states it's not a true fungus but a bacterial infection while another states it IS a true fungus with an entirely different scientific name.

It does list fraying of fins among the symptoms, as well as the cotton puffs around the mouth and elsewhere on the body. In the case of my one Hi-Fin, the cottony puff was inside of its mouth, which he would open very widely then close again, in what appeared to be a labored effort. Ordinarily, Hi-Fins don't sit on the substrate and gape open their mouths slowly and widely. Their normal sucker behavior is to move very rapidly with short sucking motions along the way on some definite structure or structures in the tank.

The hanging in mid-water with a sideways tilt or riding of currents sideways wasn't mentioned in the articles I read, but I would assume the disease eventually would affect the swim bladder. That doesn't explain why the Hi-Fin that rode the current was still able to swim normally once he exited the airstone's current. For that matter, why was he even riding the current to begin with? Was it simply an easy way to conserve energy? Is it possible that the fish became trapped in the current and was unable to escape it for awhile? I know that Hi-Fins prefer fast-moving water, so it shouldn't have been an issue. The other fish that hung motionlessly in the water with a sideways tilt would also tilt sideways when resting on the substrate. These were the only symptoms I saw, and they differed in the two fishes.

Among the causes listed is poor water quality, which I know isn't the case in my tank, overstocking, which is the case in my tank, and stress from being harassed by other fish, which, to the best of my knowledge, has never occurred to my Hi-Fins. Also, warmer water temperatures, which doesn't apply to my tank, since it's coldwater.

Apparently, Melafix and Pimafix are ineffective treatments, as neither are mentioned in the articles I read. Instead, the Maricyn treatments are recommended. Treating with Maricyn (sp?) must be done outside of the tank if there are invertibrates such as shrimp or snails.

The only cause I can think of in my case was stress from overstocking. I do have to keep tabs on my nitrates, and do frequent water changes and gravel vacuuming to control them. I also have a very power hob filter on the tank in addition to the 4" airstone.

I am concluding it is very likely this cotton wool disease is what they both had, as at least some of the symtoms and causes were present. The google articles said nothing about it being contagious to other fish, and since the rest of mine remain healthy (for now), I am assuming it isn't contagious.

-- bigmamafish
 
It's not cotagious from fish to fish in the general sense, however the underlying cause must be addressed and eliminated to prevent others from contracting it.
 
All I had to hear was "cotton" and I immediately "oh no"'d.
I JUST got over something similar with a powder blue gourami- he had what looked like a cotton ball growing out of the rim of his eye. Despite this obviously impediment, he ate, swam, and socialized normally with everyone else, none of who were afflicted with the same problem. All parameters were within range and steady.
Did a little research and decided it was "saprolegnia fungus" and went to work putting up a hospital tank. Treatment recommended for this fungus were Forma Green or Copper Sulfate. I got to thinking, isn't that the same stuff in ick medicine? Since the powder blue resides in a community tank with sensitive scaleless fish, I decided to try something: I treated the hospital tank with Ick Guard II, and put my patient in. I was leery of using something harsh for fears of any residuals hitching a ride back to the community tank and possibly harming my scaleless fish or the juveniles.
Next day: cotton ball almost gone
Day 2: no cotton ball, slight puff of lens
Day 3: no puff, no ball. Cured!
Day 4: no change. Observation
Day 5: everything normal. Patient released that evening

I would say do what your gut tells you. If you think it's fungus, treat fungus. I wish you luck!
 
DojosWithMojo;5054543; said:
All I had to hear was "cotton" and I immediately "oh no"'d.
I JUST got over something similar with a powder blue gourami- he had what looked like a cotton ball growing out of the rim of his eye. Despite this obviously impediment, he ate, swam, and socialized normally with everyone else, none of who were afflicted with the same problem. All parameters were within range and steady.
Did a little research and decided it was "saprolegnia fungus" and went to work putting up a hospital tank. Treatment recommended for this fungus were Forma Green or Copper Sulfate. I got to thinking, isn't that the same stuff in ick medicine? Since the powder blue resides in a community tank with sensitive scaleless fish, I decided to try something: I treated the hospital tank with Ick Guard II, and put my patient in. I was leery of using something harsh for fears of any residuals hitching a ride back to the community tank and possibly harming my scaleless fish or the juveniles.
Next day: cotton ball almost gone
Day 2: no cotton ball, slight puff of lens
Day 3: no puff, no ball. Cured!
Day 4: no change. Observation
Day 5: everything normal. Patient released that evening

I would say do what your gut tells you. If you think it's fungus, treat fungus. I wish you luck!

Thanks for the input man, ill give it a try.
 
update: I added salt (1 tbl spn/gaollon). All gone in 2 days. It just didnt look exactly like cotton mouth to me and it never progressed to anything really bad for the fish that presented with it. I with I had a camera so I could show every one how it looked. Now the question is, if I go back to much less salt in the water, will it come back?
 
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