ur right iam very sry everyone iam getting ahead of myself, i should of not posted about another ray, but iam also thinking of my kids, my kids really love him in fact they named him stingy..lol, but needycowgirl was right i should of asked more ? about it, but i have gone everywhere, to all pet store and did everything they said to do before i even came a member here, the reason y i posted all that is cause iam told no matter what i do hes gonna die, so if hes gonna die i wanna get another one to replace him so my kids won't know, sry to everyone who got upset over this whole thing, but one thing is for sure, i really do care, the one vet is the one who told me to pull him out to let him die cause hes in pain and it would be best, then thats when i was told about the clove oil, and he does seem a little happier now that hes on bare bottom. thanks again to everyone who helped and didn't jump on me