seems from looking threw the archives here, that many of you had some debates on the size that a lima shovelnose can get too. I have done countless hours of research on pims and I can say that several sources put them at 60-70cm max. For laymen that is about 20-28 inches. Just check out the Atlas of Freshwater and Marine Catfishes pg.249 says that 40cm is average. Don't know if that helps or fuels the debate. With that said, debates can be fun and educational, and ocassionaly violent. Go debates 
