Starting a LFS - Questions

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inssane

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It has always been my dream (I know, hokey) to do something I enjoy.
This may happen, but it may never happen for me, but I would love to open up a LFS.

I guess the "pet peeve" thread kind of got me thinking about the details of opening a LFS.

I know people say this in an idealistic manner, but I would rather have very healthy and reasonably priced livestock than pack the tanks with painted tetras, pacus, and so forth.

The closest I ever got to owning a fish store, haha, was manager at PetCo and I handled the fish department. I was able to cut their livestock losses in half through nutrition and cleaning alone - and I purchased livestock every week, but I still have very little control.

So anyone with experience, knowing the ins and outs, can maybe contribute to this thread.

Any help/suggestions would be great - and maybe this thread will help others with similar aspirations.
Nick
 
There are four LFS's I am familiar with besides petsmart.

Store A(exclusively fish): is located within a block of my house, I could literally walk there in less than 5 minutes. It only carry's the same fish that petsmart would sell, and since it doesn't buy in bulk like they do, it isn't able to get their fish as cheap therefore they have to charge more than petsmart. I have only been to this store twice, despite its close proximity.

Store B(fish, small mammals, reptiles, amphibians, birds, bugs): is about 20 minutes from me, but located near my grandmothers and sisters house, so I am around it almost every weekend, yet I never go their. They sometime have some rare fish to, but the tanks are always dirty, and the prices for common pet smart found fish are yet again higher than petsmart. I have been to this store a handful of times, but have not been there in over 6 months, despite its convenience.

Store C(Fish, Reptiles, Amphibians): is a good store, I make the 45 minute trip to them about once a month. They have good prices on dry goods and there fish section is huge. However there fish prices are pretty high compared to others, but they often have fish others do not, also only ever seen 1 dead fish there, and it was removed before I left (i didn't tell them). Only found this store about 4 months ago, yet have been there 10 times so far.

Store D(exclusively fish & Amphibians): This store is the best, and was packed with people, yes a LFS that is crowded. They carry all the basic fish, but I noticed they carried the color varieties the petmarts dont carry (pretty smart), also they specialize in rare/uncommonly seen fish. This store was packed with tanks from floor level 4 tanks high, had most of the fish I've only seen available online(and even then they usually say out of stock). Tanks were clean, fish were healthy and reasonably priced. They even pack the fish with O2. I only just discovered this store, but It is now my #1 store.

These are some factors I would take into effect:
1: Variety/exotics, I have noticed similar threads stating to start with "bread and butter" fish. I disagree. I know that I would not make a special trip to a store to get the same fish I can get anywhere else. Get fish that are uncommonly seen and that will give people the "wow" factor.

2: Cleanliness, keep the tanks clean, water parameters in check, and remove dead fish promptly. Also keep the shop clean, don't let the shop smell like Massivore, lol.

3: Display Tanks, I know seeing the huge display tanks my favorite 2 LFS's have always gets me in the mood to buy some fish, also gets my gears turning on new tank ideas.

4: Customer Service, Hire outgoing people. To me prior fish keeping experience is nice but not necessary, they will learn about the fish before long. Don't hire or let employee's get away with standing around avoiding customers, they is nothing more annoying than trying to track down an employee to bag a fish for you.

5: Visual Appeal, I have noticed almost all of the fish stores, even the ones I like, have a basic 2x4 skeleton rack holding the tanks. Would be nice to see a place with a finished look in the tank section with pictures of the full grown fish next to the tank holding the fish. Detailed profiles with average-max size, preferred water parameters, healthy diet, temperament, compatibility, minimum tank size...This doesn't have to be fancy, could be handwritten on an index card, but it is a lot better than just a name written in marker across the tank.

Location/Advertising: People need to know you exist, one way is picking a location in a high traffic area where passerby's will see you. Advertising, via paper, signs or even craigslist, not only letting people know you exists but what your about.
 
My advice would be educating your employees. Teaching them to say "let me look it up" or "hold on let me check with someone who knows more than I do on this." is better than bad advice. When I worked at Home Depot 12yrs ago we were required to take some quizzes on some basic knowledge once a week. There was a 2 page text that we were required to read that answered all the questions if we failed. Most of it was very basic (what is the sq ft of a sheet of 4x8 drywall, yes that was a question). But I think anyone that works in retail should have to do something like this. As an employer it would take 10min a week from each employee to do this.
 
I would just educate them on fish as they came in.
 
Your gonna need lots of money to start out regardless of how "big" you go from the start. I know owners of 2 Lfs around me pretty good. One went for the whole big start up, bought everything he would need prob 60tanks, massive filtration and plenty of dry goods. Really the best lfs around and start up cost and 1st yrs expenses cost 100k plus some of his own money. The second was recently just opened after Xmas did it another way. Kinda started small and is planning on just building up. But he has lots of dry goods. His initial start up cost was around 60k....his first order from the distributers was 14k and on average spends 500-700 every other week on orders. Than electricity for ether store is from 2-3k a month. So in all be prepared to spend ALOT of money
 
Sorry if this is a repost - had no idea to even look (thought I was the only crazy one here)

LOTS of great info.
I will look at these later tonight as I have answers/comments on several of these ideas, but I am at work now.

THANKS!
 
i would suggest selling something along with the fish.

The store i normally go to started as an all fish/axolotl(spelling?) but has since moved to a half hydroponic half fish store. seems to me (this is his second store now, brother owns the other one) that just fish wasnt doing it and whenever i go in there people are spending a lot of money on the hydro equipment and maybe a few bucks in fish.
 
also i like the skeleton frame 2x4 pvc set ups. Reminds me of erector sets and most the other guys i know who work with their hands appreciate the look too.
 
inssane;4875393; said:
It has always been my dream (I know, hokey) to do something I enjoy.
This may happen, but it may never happen for me, but I would love to open up a LFS.

I guess the "pet peeve" thread kind of got me thinking about the details of opening a LFS.

I know people say this in an idealistic manner, but I would rather have very healthy and reasonably priced livestock than pack the tanks with painted tetras, pacus, and so forth.

The closest I ever got to owning a fish store, haha, was manager at PetCo and I handled the fish department. I was able to cut their livestock losses in half through nutrition and cleaning alone - and I purchased livestock every week, but I still have very little control.

So anyone with experience, knowing the ins and outs, can maybe contribute to this thread.

Any help/suggestions would be great - and maybe this thread will help others with similar aspirations.
Nick


I have experience in working for lfs around my block..........Money flow is more from the food and merchandise than the fish..........If you the owner can connect with a well priced tank dealer, then I say pack the store with more than reasonable priced fish tanks...........The popular sized tanks are 55g and 100g, and the "super" popular is the 6 foot 125g...........
 
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