Sunken head but fat

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1 of my ray has a sunken head. She is fat, eats like a pig and very active. The other rays are fine. My nitrates was a little high, could that be the cause? I did a water change and the it seems to be a little better.
 
What sort of level of nitrates? Off the 100ppm chart? If so check the tap water and if low water change the hell out of it for a week on the trot, 25% every day.
 
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High nitrates seem to have no affect on Rays IMO from others that keep and breed lots of rays in off the chart nitrates.
Let's see a pic?
 
Rays are breeding machines so I wouldn't let that sway your judgement on high nitrates. If you understand what nitrate does to the blood of fish then you realise that it is not good to have it in high amounts even if they seem to survive in high levels of nitrate. There is a reason why 50ppm is the legal limit in U.K. Drinking water too.

It is only ever people with high nitrates that seem to argue that Nitrate is not a problem.

This is quite apt: Sometimes in our confusion, we see not the world as it is, but the world through eyes blurred by the mind.
 
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Rays are breeding machines so I wouldn't let that sway your judgement on high nitrates. If you understand what nitrate does to the blood of fish then you realise that it is not good to have it in high amounts even if they seem to survive in high levels of nitrate. There is a reason why 50ppm is the legal limit in U.K. Drinking water too.

It is only ever people with high nitrates that seem to argue that Nitrate is not a problem.

This is quite apt: Sometimes in our confusion, we see not the world as it is, but the world through eyes blurred by the mind.

Nah, you can have clean water with high Nitrates. Rays are not like other typical fish and we really don't know much about them. Would love to see what
Rays are breeding machines so I wouldn't let that sway your judgement on high nitrates. If you understand what nitrate does to the blood of fish then you realise that it is not good to have it in high amounts even if they seem to survive in high levels of nitrate. There is a reason why 50ppm is the legal limit in U.K. Drinking water too.

It is only ever people with high nitrates that seem to argue that Nitrate is not a problem.

This is quite apt: Sometimes in our confusion, we see not the world as it is, but the world through eyes blurred by the mind.[/


Humans and fish handle nitrites and nitrates very different. Nitrites can be actually very beneficial for human cardiovascular and immune. Fish not so much.

Flouride is also in our water so what "they" say is safe or not is bull ****.

Rays are very different then finned fish IMO and we really don't know jack **** about rays in a whole.

I'm not talking about having a 100 year old ray. I'm talking about people with 5 to 10 year old rays that are growing , eating and breeding with Clean water Good food and high Nitrates. I know fish get I'll over time with off the chart Nitrates but this usally goes along with not changing water for months on end. I would like to see a a 600g tank with half a dozen large rays keep its nitrates below 20
 
I know which route I will follow. If Nitrates kill sensitive fish you can bet your bottom dollar they do harm to all fish. At some level nitrate will kill a ray.

Any tank with 12 large rays is going to have a nitrate handling issue that only regular large water changes will handle which is good husbandry anyway. My 300 gallons with 1 large ray and 2ft fire eel is a nitrate making machine.
 
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i think i solved the problem. she had me scared for for a little while. she became skinny overnight with hip bones showing out of the blue. it looks like it might of been an internal parasite. after 2 weeks of prazi pro, hip bone gone and also sunken head. getting nice and fat again. thanks guys for help.
 
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