tank of death :(

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kallmond

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I have a 10 gallon craigs list tank I bought to go in my sons room that I'm about to give up on.

I used playsand as the substrate, its been a planted tank/snail farm for almost 6 months. There are probably 100 snails in it ranging from pin-head to eraser sized. (When they get much bigger I pull them out and toss them in the living room tank for my clown loaches. It has 2 37w CFL daylight lamps providing the light for the plants. Its well planted, with anacharis, Cardamine lyrata "Chinese Ivy", and Dwarf Baby Tears. Plants and snails are thriving.

Every time I add fish I grab some filter media out of one of my existing tanks and put in the HOB, which is an older (5 years?) AQ 30.

After putting fish in, I monitor water quality, testing for ammonia, KH, GH, nitrites and nitrates, and if anything gets slightly out of wack do a water change. I have a bunch of other tanks and have never had mass die offs before.

So, every time I add fish to this tank, within 2 or 3 days they're all dead. I just killed a batch of 8 petsmart cardinal tetras. I've tried fish from petsmart, petco, that fish place, and my lfs. I've put fish from all of those places, and despite a 100% ich rate on petco fish, I've never lost one in any other tank.

I've tried maybe 6 batches of fish? I've tried different species (mollies, guppies, red fin tetras, cardinal tetras, sword tails) I've tried adding them 1 or two at a time and 6 or up to 8 at a time. Never had water parameter troubles, and never had a fish live in this tank more than 3 days.

I have a 30gallon right next to this tank with the exact same substrate, exact same plants, exact same water, from the last batch of petsmart fish I put 8 in the 10 gallon and 5 in the 30, and all 5 in the 30 are doing fine. Prior to adding fish this last time I did 5 days of consecutive 50% water changes in both the 10 and the 30 to ensure anything toxic is washed out. The 30 has fish i've had for a couple of years in it, they are thriving.

I've tried to eliminate every possible variable I can think of, but i'm at a loss. 2 or 3 batches of fish ago I emptied the tank scrubbed it all out with ammonia, rinsed it thoroughly, and then did a couple water changes on the empty (except for plants and snails) before adding fish.

Thanks for reading this giant text wall, do you think I should just call the tank cursed and just keep it as a snail farm? Is there something I don't know about snails that would be killing off my fish? Thats the only thing any different from the 30 gallon sitting next to it, the 30 has no snails.

I'm tired of killing fish!
 
I did not reseal it.. Its a 10 gallon, the silicone would cost more than a new tank. Think there is something in the silicone?
 
I would think if there were some poison leeching that could kill the fish, the snails would be dying as well. Inverts are usually more sensitive to things like that than vertebrates.

Are you sure there's nothing different that you're doing in this tank?
 
I've been over and over everything. I was just coming to post that about how come its not killing the snails when I saw that you did.

If there is something different, I really have no idea what it is. I keep coming back to the snails, but I think thats because I don't know much about inverts. They hitchhiked to my tank on some plants from that fish place, and the population has exploded. I have cichlids and loaches in my other planted tanks, so any snails in those tanks would have been quickly disposed of.

Could a couple hundred tiny snails in a 10 gallon be effecting the water in some way not picked up by standard test strips (KH, GH, PH, Ni, Na) and liquid ammonia test?
 
First thing that comes to mind for me is leeching, but as conner said the snails would probably be croaking first and not surviving. 100 small snails seems like alot in a 10 gallon, you said your levels are all still in the safe zone?
 
The only thing I could think of is maybe the fish are eating the snails, and somehow that is killing them (poisonous to the fish, or maybe choking after trying to eat too many?)??
 
by small snails, I mean 99% of them are moving black speck size, barely identifiable as snails. I guess they could be choking, what does a choking fish look like? They're not wrapping their fins around their necks.. I've seen no fish heimlich maneuvers going on.. (Just a little humor to diffuse my frustration).

Water params are good. By about the 3rd or 4th batch of fish I was testing water every 3-4 hours.. And even then ammonia would have to be 4 or 5 to kill the fish in 3 days. (Even though when I check it and its never crossed .25)

I appreciate all suggestions, I'm totally at a loss :\
 
Just a thought, you said you used playsand as a substrate I have seen some playsand in toystores where it states on the bag that the sand contains a chemical to deter cats and dogs from using the sandpit as a litter box.
Maybe this chemical is harmful to fish but not the snails. :)
 
If its the play sand from HD, I have almost 200lbs of it in one of my tanks, and I've had fish in it for several years no problem.

Plus, he said BOTH tanks have the same substrate, so why would fish die from said chemical in one tank but not the other?
 
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