Tatf vs Vatf??

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Can you guys help me understand the ATF craze these days?

All I'm seeing anymore is Tatf. Where did all the Vatf go? Did we not recognize Tatfs before so what we knew as Vatf are now Tatf? Or are the Vatf out there still??? What's the differences between Vatf/Tatf? Can we even positively ID the 2 when they're just lil fish sticks?

How likely do you guys think it is that these things are just gonna be harder and harder to get?

Basically I'm wondering if it's time to pull the trigger on Tatf or keep looking for the VATF I really want, or at this point in the game do you grab what you can and ask questions later?

Thanks for any input folks!!!
 
It all depends on geopolitical climate of Africa. Most of the time there's always some fighting or coupe in one country or another. So exporting our favorite fish is inconsistent at best.

I think the reason why you're seeing more fish labeled as TAFT or VATF is because of increased knowledge in the hobby. I also believe it will be easier to get in the future as the exporters in Africa have discovered there's a good market in N. America and Asia for these things they find in their back yard. But that depends again on the political climate.

I'm not an expert in African fish but these are just my wild guesses from observations.
 
Odd. My understanding is they are overfished and being evaluated....... Availability for next year questionable for Tatf.

Tatf didn't become recognized till just recently I thought, so wondering if Tatfs have been around for a while mislabeled as Vatf? Or are all the Vatfs really Vatf and all these Tatf are just coming from an entirley different location?
 
From what others have been saying it seems recent events in the Congo have put a huge damper on collection of ATF as a vast majority came from that area.
 
Good post. Good question.

I will give you an abridged answer here, for more detailed reading reference the stickies at the top of the Other Characins section.

The reason mid to late 2012 and early 2013 has seen so many oddball ATF coming in is quite simple, really. The traditional supply was all dried up. There was however still a demand. This resulted in the exporters going elsewhere to find their fish. This is the reason we've seen so many of the formerly rarest two species, brevis and tanzaniae, as well as Zambezi vittatus, this past year.

The reason we have seen so few of our traditional vittatus and goliath this past year is because like sashimi said, the geopolitical atmosphere of Africa destabilized. From the middle of 2012 to now, there is a pseudo civil war being fought in the Central African Republic, the country immediately to the north of the Congo. This has fairly well destabilized the region and was responsible for the lack of Congo ATF exports. There was a truce signed, I believe back in January, which is allowing the region to stabilize and exports to start back up. The best season seems to have been missed so goliath and Congo vittatus will likely be very scarce this year, too.

On the subject of tatf vs vatf-

Tatf have been brought in for a long time. They have however been largely misidentified until now. It seems to me that no one really did the homework to find out the diagnostic traits to tell them apart. It was well needed that we did, too, because these fish are extremely closely related and extremely similar morphologically. The tanzaniae from the Rufiji and Ruaha watersheds in Tanzania, is directly descended from the vittatus populations in the next major river system to the south: the Zambezi. The tatf is essentially a vatf that has undergone allopatric speciation and is trying its best to be a goliath.

To tell them apart, for a tatf look for a proportionately thicker, cigar shaped body, a proportionately more massive jaw, the second stripe above the lateral line will always be less prominent, the adipose fin will be blue, though in some fish it will be so dark as to appear nearly black, the tail will be lacking in dramatic coloration with just a little dull red or yellow in the tail.

For a vatf, look for a proportionately thinner, football shaped body, a proportionately smaller pointier jaw, the second stripe above the lateral line may rarely be slightly reduced but not as dramatically as the tatf, the adipose fin will be black when large or clear when small, the tail will be vividly colored with reds, oranges and yellows.

Its fair to think of a tanzaniae as something of a color variant vittatus.

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Just get a few of each DB, that 750 can handle it!!! lol!

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I'm sure the wolf would love some fish sticks.... I've got a bunch of Odoe that would be fish sticks for the wolf and I bet the Tatf would be fish sticks for the Odoe.

Pretty sure I did this all backwards...... :( Should be big ATF, medium Odoe, small Dorado, dinky Aimara.......

Thanks for the replies guys. Confusing, but at least not as bad as Hoplias yet...... lol
 
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