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I've been playing with the idea of getting a tegu, still not sure yet if I want to pursue the idea. However, I did have a few questions that I've thought about idly here and there.

Is there a temperament difference between the species or does it depend on handling/how the animal is raised/etc? At the last few reptile shows I've been to I've had vendors get into arguments with each other what makes for a better pet... Colombians, Argentines, Blues, B&Ws, etc.

Is it better to get a juvenile or look for an already "tame" adult?

If I ended up pursuing the idea, ideally I'd like to house the tegu in the existing dog run off of our house (converted quite a bit obviously), however, this wouldn't be a suitable environment in the winter... what's the minimum size enclosure I'd need to set-up or construct for housing the animal indoors during the winter?

I've picked up a few books for reading, are there any other books, sites, etc that are recommended for learning about these guys?

-Thanks
 
In years past, Columbian Tegus (Tupinambis teguixin) were all imported wild caught specimen and they were very aggressive. More recently there are a lot of people breeding them in captivity and these are not nearly as aggressive. Though do be cautious because there are still a lot being imported.
 
But... while captive bred Columbians are much better than their wild caught counterparts... they are not nearly as friendly or easy to tame as Argentinean Tegus...
 
 
"Argentinean Tegu" is a somewhat generic term used to describe Black & White Tegus (Tupinambis merianae), Red Tegus (Tupinambis rufescens) and Blue Tegus (an odd color form of Tupinambis merianae).
 
Black and Whites are the most common and are the baseline for ‘Argentinean Tegus’. Males generally reach 4’ and females generally reach 3’. They are very easy to ‘tame’ and can make great pets, but naturally any animal kept in a small (or otherwise inadequate) enclosure will naturally be stressed. Stressed animals are never friendly animals…
 
Red Tegus are rumored to (on average) get a teeny bit bigger and have a teeny bit more potential for aggression. Though neither of these ‘rumors’ are significant enough to make any quanitative difference. So essentially the difference between Reds and B&Ws is color.
 
Blue Tegus have not been classified as their own species and are ‘technically’ considered a locale of Tupinambis merianae. I personally would not use the term ‘morph’ to describe them as the term “morph” is generally reserved for a genetic mutation that passes down systematically (recessive, dominant, co-dominant, incomplete dominant, etc). This is not the case with Blue Tegus.
 
I think it’s also relevant to mention that Blue Tegus entered the Pet trade from a single small group (most likely siblings). This small group was then bred together, then their offspring bred together, etc. The smaller size and (sometimes noted) other health concerns are commonly attributed to excessive inbreeding. Since the Blue trait is not recessive, dom, co-dom, etc any “out crossing” with other types of Tegus simply ‘waters down’ the Blue. Once ‘watered down’ the Blue cannot be cleaned up making out crossing true Blue Tegus impossible.
 
 
My advice would be to raise your own Tegu from hatchling. The vast majority of adult Tegus ‘for sale’ are being rehomed because they are problemed animals or because they have outgrown their enclosure and have thus been living in cramped quarters for quite some time. Again, too small of an enclosure results in a stressed animal, and stressed animals are not friendly animals.
 
 
Argentinean Tegus do seek out and enjoy human interaction. So they do not make good “display animals”, at least not in an indoor enclosure. Mine spends 2+ hours 5+ days a week wondering freely around the house and often seeks out direct human interaction while doing so. As a matter of fact he has interrupted me several times while writing this. While many of you reading this will assume he simply seeks contact due to body heat, those of us who own Arg Tegus generally have numerous stories that discredit such concepts (I’ll spare you the story telling this time).
 
But I digress, my point was (supposed to be) do not get a Tegu unless you plan to spend ample time interacting with him. But if you can supply a large enough enclosure and interaction time… if a puppy like reptile is what you are looking for… Oh My God get an Arg Tegu!
 
 
An Arg Tegu would love your modified outdoor dog run. Mine lives on a 6’ x 12’ deck/balcony in the summer months (Charlotte NC). I look forward to buying a house (again) to build him a “proper” outdoor enclosure.
 
It’s hard to say what ‘winter home’ he will need. Many Arg Tegus can simply hibernate through the winter and are quite inactive in late fall and early spring. But not all will do so. Mine has “wintered” differently every year and this winter he has barely slowed down at all.
 
I have an 8’ x 3’ enclosure mine spends the winter in and in all honesty it’s probably not big enough (for ideal standards). The fact he gets so much free roam time keeps things peaceful, but it is not a wise idea for me to rely on this as there is no guarantee life will continue to give me this much “Tegu time” in the cooler months.
 
 
I bought my Tegu from Bobby Hill / Varnyard who hosts a Tegu forum at www.tegutalk.com . I highly recommend doing plenty of research before buying any Tegu and I believe Tegu Talk is a great place to start (but do not limit yourself to just there). The following link is to a picture thread I posted here at MFK a couple of days ago. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398405
 
foto69man;4940458; said:
Would you ever suggest an All American or Extreme Giant Tegu to a first timer...?

Giant Tegus are simply a larger version of Black and White Tegus. The only difference in the actual animal is size and the only difference in care is providing a larger enclosure...

I'm personally not a fan of Hybrids so no I wouldn't recommend an 'All American', although that is no reason you shouldn't get one. They are a new cross so we really do not know what to expect out of them. They have the genes of Giants which "should" make them bigger but they also have the genes of Blues so they "should" stay a bit smaller.

Also keep in mind that with hybrids the ammoutn of characteristics they get from each parent will vary. So it is completely possible one sibling/cluth mate to be more like a Giant and another to be more like a Blue, while a third will be more like a Red... and any combination between them...


All in all, Tegus require a lot of time and space. If you are willing/able to provide that you can easily have a puppy like reptile... if you cannot provide that then I do not suggest getting a Tegu...
 
nc_nutcase;4940402; said:
Argentinean Tegus do seek out and enjoy human interaction. So they do not make good “display animals”, at least not in an indoor enclosure. Mine spends 2+ hours 5+ days a week wondering freely around the house and often seeks out direct human interaction while doing so. As a matter of fact he has interrupted me several times while writing this. While many of you reading this will assume he simply seeks contact due to body heat, those of us who own Arg Tegus generally have numerous stories that discredit such concepts (I’ll spare you the story telling this time).
 
But I digress, my point was (supposed to be) do not get a Tegu unless you plan to spend ample time interacting with him. But if you can supply a large enough enclosure and interaction time… if a puppy like reptile is what you are looking for… Oh My God get an Arg Tegu!

Are they naturally a social species, or do they seek out interaction with humans as result of captive breeding and the numerous amounts of interaction with humans as result of that? And are they looking for affection, like when my cat seeks me out? Or just like, company of some kind while wandering around?

 
 
nc_nutcase;4940402; said:
An Arg Tegu would love your modified outdoor dog run. Mine lives on a 6’ x 12’ deck/balcony in the summer months (Charlotte NC). I look forward to buying a house (again) to build him a “proper” outdoor enclosure.
 
It’s hard to say what ‘winter home’ he will need. Many Arg Tegus can simply hibernate through the winter and are quite inactive in late fall and early spring. But not all will do so. Mine has “wintered” differently every year and this winter he has barely slowed down at all.
 
I have an 8’ x 3’ enclosure mine spends the winter in and in all honesty it’s probably not big enough (for ideal standards). The fact he gets so much free roam time keeps things peaceful, but it is not a wise idea for me to rely on this as there is no guarantee life will continue to give me this much “Tegu time” in the cooler months.

Well, if I get one it will definitely have to come indoors, seeing as I'm in the frigid land of NJ. Could I skip building and enclosure and maybe just give him a room? I'm thinking maybe just designating one of the spare bedrooms or storage rooms would be easier. I remember seeing a few people lay indoor/outdoor carpeting en lieu of using substrate for when they kept their tegus indoors. At the very least, this way I could provide a larger space that could be furnished and cleaned relatively easier. If they tegu lived in a room without substrate for the winter months, would that be detrimental to it's health/happiness/etc?
 

 
nc_nutcase;4940402; said:
I bought my Tegu from Bobby Hill / Varnyard who hosts a Tegu forum at www.tegutalk.com . I highly recommend doing plenty of research before buying any Tegu and I believe Tegu Talk is a great place to start (but do not limit yourself to just there). The following link is to a picture thread I posted here at MFK a couple of days ago. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398405

Yes, I've run across his name quite a few times. And I've been a lurker over on there and teguterra.com on and off. The more I read, the more I want one. And I love, love the photos!
 
black_sun;4942304; said:
Are they naturally a social species, or do they seek out interaction with humans as result of captive breeding and the numerous amounts of interaction with humans as result of that? And are they looking for affection, like when my cat seeks me out? Or just like, company of some kind while wandering around?

Tegus are not social animals like some birds or fish might be. They do not require social interaction to thrive. But they do tolerate other animals and their own species very well. Reptiles are not like cats or dogs that seek our affection and want to be friends with us. But they do see us as a provider and tolerate us very well. Although i should say i am no herpetologist and tegus are very intelligent so there might be more to it. but I still don't believe they seek our affection like a dog might.

 
 


Well, if I get one it will definitely have to come indoors, seeing as I'm in the frigid land of NJ. Could I skip building and enclosure and maybe just give him a room? I'm thinking maybe just designating one of the spare bedrooms or storage rooms would be easier. I remember seeing a few people lay indoor/outdoor carpeting en lieu of using substrate for when they kept their tegus indoors. At the very least, this way I could provide a larger space that could be furnished and cleaned relatively easier. If they tegu lived in a room without substrate for the winter months, would that be detrimental to it's health/happiness/etc?

Just for the winter? I think your tegu will be fine. He might just hibernate all winter. I am not familiar with outdoor setups and tegus so I can't help you a whole lot on that.
 

 
Yes, I've run across his name quite a few times. And I've been a lurker over on there and teguterra.com on and off. The more I read, the more I want one. And I love, love the photos!

As stated before if you want a tegu just realize they are a huge responsibility. They need a lot of space, attention, and food to thrive in a captive environment. They are not something to "impulse buy" not that you should impulse by anything, but you should spend weeks/month researching so you can make a solid decision. When given what they need they are a very rewarding and entertaining animals to keep. I am the proud owner of an almost 2 year old argentine black and white female and I absolutely love her.
 
rrcoolj;4942764; said:
Just for the winter? I think your tegu will be fine. He might just hibernate all winter. I am not familiar with outdoor setups and tegus so I can't help you a whole lot on that.

Yea, just for the winter. For the spring and summer, I'm planning on taking over half of an existing dog run (or maybe all of it, I have to work around the deck in the middle) and converting it into an outdoor set-up. I'm still looking into all that needs to be done with that, but that's the general idea.
 

rrcoolj;4942764; said:
As stated before if you want a tegu just realize they are a huge responsibility. They need a lot of space, attention, and food to thrive in a captive environment. They are not something to "impulse buy" not that you should impulse by anything, but you should spend weeks/month researching so you can make a solid decision. When given what they need they are a very rewarding and entertaining animals to keep. I am the proud owner of an almost 2 year old argentine black and white female and I absolutely love her.

I've been guilty of impulse buys before, but never with anything that I couldn't immediately care for in at least a generalized manner. But I've seen the adults (it's actually what I fell in love with first), and they're huge animals. In my current living arrangements, I have no space for that to even try so while I'm waiting to move in with my fiance at his place, it's just time to sit back and research. He likes the animal, I like the animal, at this point it just a matter of figuring all the ins-and-outs to see if it's actually feasible. Little by little I'm thinking it is, but it won't be approached until maybe next year... maybe end of this year but not likely.

Either way, we'll see and until then... I'm picking up books at all the shows, harassing the vendors, looking for owners, etc. ^_^
 
Good to hear. My mom(Im 16 by the way) was terrified when I showed her what I was getting on Bobby Hills website(varnyardherps.com). But now she loves the lizard and even checks in asking how she is. You should see people flock to my room in amazement to see her and her enclosure. They really are great animals
 
black_sun;4942304; said:
Are they naturally a social species, or do they seek out interaction with humans as result of captive breeding and the numerous amounts of interaction with humans as result of that? And are they looking for affection, like when my cat seeks me out? Or just like, company of some kind while wandering around?
 
Well I surely would not approach a Tegu in the wild and try to pet him :P
 
I do know that several “big breeders” of Tegus gloat that they breed for personality which includes being prone to human interaction.
 
I do know that my Tegu seeks my attention, not merely tolerates it. When I open his enclosure he crawls into my lap. There is plenty of space for him to climb directly to the floor but 4 out of 5 times he crawls to my lap… Most evenings he crawls onto the couch with me to nap. He likely ‘cuddles’ behind me for the heat but then frequently will nuzzle his head under my hand an giggle my hand. Then I rub his head and he closes his eyes to enjoy it. While this is not “seeking love”, it is seeking interaction (he is using me cause I pet him)… In the summer when he is outdoors, when I walk into his “enclosure” and ignore him he will try to climb my leg. This is not something that has happened once or twice but instead is something that has happened most of the many times I’ve done this.
 
 
black_sun;4942304; said:
Well, if I get one it will definitely have to come indoors, seeing as I'm in the frigid land of NJ. Could I skip building and enclosure and maybe just give him a room? I'm thinking maybe just designating one of the spare bedrooms or storage rooms would be easier. I remember seeing a few people lay indoor/outdoor carpeting en lieu of using substrate for when they kept their tegus indoors. At the very least, this way I could provide a larger space that could be furnished and cleaned relatively easier. If they tegu lived in a room without substrate for the winter months, would that be detrimental to it's health/happiness/etc?
 
As for space, a “Tegu Room” would be awesome. But I’m not feeling your idea as described above…
 
The first problem you will need to address is waste. My Tegu free roams a lot but before I let him wonder the house I have to “poop him”. If you did as you described he will foul the carpet quickly. If you use any form of outdoor carpeting or other floor covering the Tegu will try to (and will likely succeed) crawl under it.
 
Substrate is very important to a Tegu. My Tegu’s summer home is a 6’ x 12’ deck/balcony with linoleum covering the floor. He also has a 4’ x 2’ enclosure with the door open and this enclosure has 8” of substrate (cypress mulch) in it. He spends a lot of time in that enclosure buried in mulch. I also have a pile of 3~5 towels that he burrows under. So in my opinion, substrate is a must, but there are was to provide substrate to hide in without covering the entire floor with it.
 
 
black_sun;4943304; said:
I've been guilty of impulse buys before, but never with anything that I couldn't immediately care for in at least a generalized manner. But I've seen the adults (it's actually what I fell in love with first), and they're huge animals. In my current living arrangements, I have no space for that to even try so while I'm waiting to move in with my fiance at his place, it's just time to sit back and research. He likes the animal, I like the animal, at this point it just a matter of figuring all the ins-and-outs to see if it's actually feasible. Little by little I'm thinking it is, but it won't be approached until maybe next year... maybe end of this year but not likely.
 
I’m really glad to see you are doing thorough research. A Tegu can be a disaster for someone who cannot provide it’s full needs… but can be a marvelous addition to a family if that family is truly prepared for the addition…
 
Not to put off what nc_nutcase has said but tegus are not always going to be that sweet loving animal all the time. They do have their off days. I don't know if it applies to males but I know females will go throguh a moody phase where they don't really want to be bothered and it can range from just small motions to small lunges or even hissing. I know my tegu has done this and will sometimes get a little moody and I must simply let her be. It is usually something that passes though but I did handle her and do handle her since day one and she still went through this nearing the end of last year. I reall think the video below exemplifies this behavior well although it isn't usually that extreme.


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