Thai golden mahseer in 4500 gal, ~14"

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I got three mahseers from Ivan Aw3s0m3 Aw3s0m3 the summer of 2016. Two of them Ivan labeled (apparently bought) as Thai golden mahseer but I am not finding any info on them on the net. Golden mahseer is Tor putitora. Thai mahseer is Tor tambroides, according to this nice site anyway: http://www.fly-fishing-in-thailand.com/the-fish.html

There are 14 major Mahseer species under the Tor Genus and two under the Neolissochilus Genus:

Humpback Mahseer - Hypselobarbus mussullah (also called Tor mussullah)
Semah Mahseer - Tor douronensis
Thai Mahseer - Tor Tambroides
Deccan Mahseer - Tor khudree
Malabar mahseer - Tor khudree malabaricus
Golden Mahseer - Tor putitora
Soro Mahseer - Tor tambra
Chinese Mahseer or Mekong Red Mahseer - Tor sinensis
Dark Mahseer - Tor chelynoides
Blue Mahseer - Tor Neilli
Redfin Mahseer - Tor tor
Mosal Mahseer or Copper Mahseer - Tor mosal
Jungha Mahseer - Tor progenius
Zhobi mahseer - Tor zhobensis (also called Naziritor zhobensis)
Chocolate mahseer (also called Copper Mahseer) - Neolissochilus hexagonolepis
Stracheyi Mahseer - Neolissochilus stracheyi (also called Tor stracheyi)

(There are more species in the Tor and Neolissochilus Genus but most of them are very small species and not of any interest for the fly fisherman.)


Can you tell which one this is, please?

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This one is about 14", could have added about 1"-2" in my care. The other specimen is ~12" and has grown similarly too. Eat a ton, grow little. Typical. Love their pellets and baitfish.

 
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For comparison, here is the classification from Wikipedia as it currently stands. According to it, Tor tambroides is Malayan mahseer, not Thai mahseer, unless these are synonymous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahseer:
 
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I do realize the mahseer taxonomy is up in flux. Jibran headbanger_jib headbanger_jib tells me Tor tor, as it stands now, is practically indistinguishable from Tor putitora.

So, I am in way, way over my head with the mahseers.
 
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That's no surprise how slow they're growing. All mahseers I've kept have been pretty slow. I'm in the same boat as you cuz I've never even heard of Thai goldens but that's what I was told they were so I went with the flow on it. Hopefully K kendragon is still around.
 

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Tor tambroides is there in India too.
 
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The above fish looks like Neolissochilus stracheyi
 
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The above fish looks like Neolissochilus stracheyi
Interesting. I didn't expect it, bro. I have a video of the third mahseer I got from Ivan, which is supposedly the stracheyi. When I post it, we'll see. I think it is the stracheyi and it looks like one with the nice lateral dark band and much more blue color, which this fish and its smaller kin do not display.

Also, Balaji aka Shovelnose on PCF, our Indian expert on native Indian fish, wrote an email to me, asking for good photos to try and ID these "Thai golden mahseer". I value his opinion a lot too. So again, we'll have more to chew on soon, hopefully. He says, though, that of course, the state of taxonomy of the mahseers is depressing, using his word :)
 
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Interesting. I didn't expect it, bro. I have a video of the third mahseer I got from Ivan, which is supposedly the stracheyi. When I post it, we'll see. I think it is the stracheyi and it looks like one with the nice lateral dark band and much more blue color, which this fish and its smaller kin do not display.

Also, Balaji aka Shovelnose on PCF, our Indian expert on native Indian fish, wrote an email to me, asking for good photos to try and ID these "Thai golden mahseer". I value his opinion a lot too. So again, we'll have more to chew on soon, hopefully. He says, though, that of course, the state of taxonomy of the mahseers is depressing, using his word :)
Balaji is a close friend, and he is our local catfish expert.
 

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Another video compilation of the bigger of the two unknown mahseer from Ivan Aw3s0m3 Aw3s0m3 sold as golden thai mahseer. (Shot the same day as the first video)

 
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