after having cloudy water for some time i couldnt work out why
my male had been trying to breed with my biggest female with no luck
a big fight must have happened at night as i woke up to find my male dead and the big female very stressed front lip up and not feeding
a very sad time as this male was born in my tank 6.5 years ago
from tip of tail to front lip 30" disk size 18"


i have added a new male which is 9" dish which shows how big my females are

the large male could never be mixed with any other male so this is the time to let 2 smaller males mature at the same time
my male had been trying to breed with my biggest female with no luck
a big fight must have happened at night as i woke up to find my male dead and the big female very stressed front lip up and not feeding
a very sad time as this male was born in my tank 6.5 years ago
from tip of tail to front lip 30" disk size 18"


i have added a new male which is 9" dish which shows how big my females are

the large male could never be mixed with any other male so this is the time to let 2 smaller males mature at the same time
man that must stink so bad i feel you sorry for your loss