The other option, instead of the RSM 250

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Stingray12

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It would be a bigger FOWLR. Dont know maximum size my mom will let me get.

Here is the fish I want to have: Russell's Lionfish, Blue Tang, Pinkface Wrasse, Flame Hawkfish, Auriga Butterflyfish, Marine Betta, One Spot Foxface, Zebra Moray Eel.

I was thinking around 150 gallons, what do you think?

I did some reaserch and Im pretty sure they will get along with each other.
 
what kind of blue tang? the blue hippo or power blue?

the butterfly could possibly pick at the lion
but in general they should all work
 
I don't think they will all work together in a 150. Maybe something along the lines of 400.
A 150 you can probably get away with it if the fish are juveniles, but not as adults. Factor in the amount of waste that those fish would provide. An eel alone needs very clean water.
Time to go back to the drawing board, and factor in what your real intentions and how you would be able to provide a suitable habitat for fish, without them being consistantly in each others face.
 
blue hippo, I can drop the zebra moray since it get large.
 
I see what you are saying skene, but a 400 gallon, ive seen people who have reefs tanks that big, who stock it with more than triple than I want to have in the 150.
 
But Ill try to narrow it down, Russels Lionfish, Blue Hippo Tang, Pinkface Wrasse, Flame Hawkfish, Auriga Butterflyfish, One spot Foxface, Goldentail Moray.

May be possible to get a 180 instead of 150.
 
What you are missing is my point.

Moray eels are a true eel (of the order Anquilliformes). In the wild they are omnivorous scavengers that tend to be somewhat territorial. You should therefore consider this when regarding how much room they need.

A moray eel holding tank needs to be relatively large. The exact size does however depend on the species you want to keep. The length and width of the aquarium are the two most important factors for moray eels while the aquarium height is of less importance. An aquarium for a small 3 ft (90 cm moray) species need to be at least 4 ft long and as wide as possible. If they feel crowded, moray eel are likely to try to escape. It may also lead to bad water quality as well, if it is truly crowded.

You should decorate your aquarium tank so that the moray eel has at least one or preferably several hiding places. If you keep several morays in the same aquarium it’s important to make sure that each moray can have its own hiding space.

Moray eels usually see other fish as meal if they are small enough to be eaten by the moray eel.
The water values for a moray should preferable keep a water gravity (salinity) of 1.022 to 1.025 and a temperature of 72 to 86 degrees Fahrenheit (22-30 degrees Celsius). The pH level should be kept above pH 8.0.

Moray eels produce a lot of waste matter which means that you will need good Chemical, Mechanical and Biological filtration going as well a good protein skimmer to keep the water quality up. You will also need to replace 20-25% of the water weekly to keep the water quality at top. (It might be enough to change about 10% of the water but a larger exchange is to be preferred)

What I am trying to get at is that you are not getting the big picture with some of these species. Just because you what you read says they should be compatible, fish that grow to larger sizes should be put into consideration as they grow they will need enough room to not feel limited to the amount of space that is given to them.
So otherwise, some fish will find themselves quickly looking for space, or they will make their own space within the given space you have given them.
That means through elimination of whatever else is in the tank that they can get rid of.
Reef tanks, are not like FO tanks. You compare apples and oranges.
Reef tanks will have enough biological filtation to support livestock. Remember that also with reef tanks, they have sumps, refugiums or something else along those lines to provide extra volume. Smaller fish waste is not like larger fish waste. Even 15 clownfish in a tank will probably not make the amount of waste of an eel or a marine betta.
Also, how are you going to put fish that dwell in rockwork along with a fish that will sleep in the sand or in the rockwork?

Do more research on the fish you are intending on keeping. I see your idea as an expensive recipe for disaster.
 
skene where are you getting your info?

a 3 foot eel should never be kept in a 4 foot tank.. that's like being locked in a large bathroom for the rest of your life

and morays aren't omnivores and rarely scavengers (in fact hardly anything is as aquatic life rots so dam fast)


"should be put into consideration as they grow they will need enough room to not feel limited to the amount of space that is given to them."
like a 3 foot eel in a tank 25% larger than it is?


just as an aside why did you mention marine bettas when talking about messy fish at the end?

they are cavitation feeders and swallow small food item whole, that doesn't make a mess

big eels, puffers, triggers, sharks and the like who actually bite off food are the mess makers


the tank would be fine..

there are people who do more with less..
it's not exactly like he's talking about javanicus eels and titan trigger here...



if you're up for the extra spendature a 180, while only being 30 gallons more, is much wider than a 150 (which is just a 125 but taller)
 
so Biggourami, can I do my original list, with the marine betta and the zebra moray.

I like the demisions of the 180 much better, so I will look into that.
 
the betta would be fine, i'd be more worried with the flame hawk and the lion, maybe look into one of the bigger hawks like an arc-eye or freckled

the eel would be a tad much with the other fish, would you be willing to compromise with a smaller eel?

come to think of it, zebras are actually a rather large eel, almost 4 feet long and FAT too, i kinda forgot about that
 
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