the real red devils

[RD.]

Most of the individuals freelancing WC imports here in Canada, are mostly bringing in fish from SA, not CA. In fact, I don't know of anyone ever doing direct imports of wild caught Amphilophus from CA. Are there people here breeding WC amphs that they have imported from Rapps etc, certainly, but those offspring obviously wouldn't be considered wild caught. So either the OP is confused, or someone sold them a fairy tale.

 

[CANAMONSTER]

I think he is talking about aa fish store in the Toronto area as this type of ad or lable I think I came across. So in other words absolutely not wild and maybe not even Labs.

 

[candidpets]

why dont u guys call them and find out? the guy assured me they were legit big al's on dundas the one that has a black tip reef shark and a 6 foot green moray eel with the head the size of a shepherd.

CALL them this is a fish that is as easy to keep and breed as a convict I can't believe people are acting like it is some rare species that almost doesn't exist. When they grow big people wont even take them free from you lol


so from the video u cant even tell if they are labs or not ? the whole point of making a video is to id the fish.

mayb some real experts will be around that know how to actually id RD's the fish will come

OR just go to the store.

 

[candidpets]

calling the concept of the most common cheapest cichild actualy being pure a fairy tale is the most stupid thing i have heard all day.

I put the video up because i was skeptical also and was curious if they were pure. But people are acting like i found Pseudotropheus demasoni lol

by wild caught they could of just meant like others saying pure strain


people just dont breed pure rd or midas that much because they are too lazy and the fishes have low worth and are just too common


pure jewel cichlids is something also i really like but run into the same issue.

 

[Manu8__too]

At that size, both RD's and Midas Cichlids are impossible to differentiate. They look almost identical until they reach about 2-3" (at this point you can begin to see the shape of their mouths). As far as people not believing you, it's because the likelihood of someone importing WC Labiatus fry from Central America to Canada is unlikely.

 

[RD.]

Wild caught labiatus have never been a common fish in the hobby, and some employees of various LFS do in fact tell fairy tales, whether on purpose, or not - including BA's. Been there, done that. You need to chillax a bit, and accept the fact that some of us are old enough to remember when many of these fish first entered the trade. Hybrid crosses are very common (labs x cits), but finding pure specimens is not generally overly easy, and certainly not "wild caught", juveniles. Typically adult specimens are collected and exported so consumers can see exactly what they are buying, and not waiting until the fish fades or shifts in color.

 

[candidpets]

its not me they have to believe if the place selling them i am just curious if they are legit

there are a lot of wild caught labels at various vendors i agree the wild caught thing would make no sense unless they are just trying to say they are from wild caught stock

they have V pattern in lips but i guess not until they grow we can tell? what about digging into the backround of exactl where they came from?


HAs jeff rapps imported fish here?

pure jewel cichlids is also something i really would like to have even more Hemichromis bimaculatus some say that the jewels dont even cross breed. I don\t know if i believe that.

the color of the fish in the video just don\'t look like the rd's i am use to the color is a dull grey they arent that pretty like the normal RD's at the LFS

there has to be a way we can dig in and find out of they really are from wild caught stock or jeff rapps stock etc...

 

[PYRU]

Where's the guy eating popcorn emoticon when you need it?

 

[dan518]

When I have come across wild caught cichlids for sale there normally sold with the catch location and were the seller acquired them. Ex fish name, catch location, imported from rapps or coa. Most importers have to provide some history to justify the extra cost, in the UK anyway.

 

[RD.]

A retail store doesn't have to provide anything, other than the fish & a price tag. But obviously with a species such as this, if I asked the store I would expect some info - or I would hang onto my hard earned $$$.

As far as color, mouth shape, etc. All amphs start out their life looking just like the ones in the photo, I still haven't seen any video that you keep mentioning? Color, shape of mouth, jaw structure, body shape, etc - will not prove anything. You might be interested in reading the following, which was made a sticky in the CA section a number of yrs ago.

http://monsterfishkeepers.com/forum...ellus-a-potential-case-of-f1-midevils.439705/

Also, a hybrid cross can have all the same physical characteristics as a pure specimen, which is precisely why a serious buyer looking for a specific species or strain, will demand some kind of provenance with their purchase.

Perhaps next time educate yourself first, before you make the purchase, and you won't be left asking so many questions after the fact.

Good luck with your new fish.