The tank size question! eveyone knows what im talking about.

[Deubie Doo]

Almost every thread I put on here were I talk about any of my fish normaly the first peron to comment on it almost always will ask what tank size I have them in. looking at other peoples treads this question is commen and seen alot. I always ask myself dose it really mater? That sead im talking about a reasanable size. Im not talking about keeping an aro or a rtc in a 55g. I mean like as long as the fish isent hurting himself on the glass trying to swim. I have my tigerfish in a 125 and hes about 7 inches. The tank is almost empty so he can have asmuch space to swim around. People allways give me a hard time that he should be in a 500g or up, But the funny part is he dosent even use half of my tank when he swims and hes just fine with no rubs on his face. Yeah ill be making a bigger tank for sure once he gets bigger but still no mater what size of the tank no one can make a tank or even a pond big enough to the size of there wild habitat. Dont most fish only grow half the sive they would in the wild no mater what size tank, now is that crul? payaras like the armatus in the wild will grow to 1.4m and in a tank normaly its about 2foot or alittle more, and no one sees a problem with that.
But Should we shy away from these fish? no, I dont think we sould. you never know if you never try and I dont see a problem as long as the fish is doing ok in smaller tanks. that said dont think that a Arapima would be good for this or large stergens. but I hope everyone sees what I mean with this.
please know Im not trying to start anything at all I just want people to see this through my eyes. I hope you all understand. and dont think of me as a bad fishkeeper. what do you guys think?

 

[Rome]

Often people buy huge fish without realizing how huge of a tank they need. When that fish gets big, they don't realize a 180+ tank stand and filtration is easily 100 times the cost of their fish. Then it gets put in a tiny tank.


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[rgonzales]

Alot of times people dont fully understand just how big a fish can get. Alot of people use the line "i'll upgrade later" but end up selling the fish because there plans dont always work out. A larger tank also solves aggression issues and water quality issues

 

[Rome]

Often people buy huge fish without realizing how huge of a tank they need. When that fish gets big, they don't realize a 180+ tank stand and filtration is easily 100 times the cost of their fish. Then it gets put in a tiny tank.

You don't keep you german Shepard in a dog crate for its entire life. Why do it to a fish.


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[Chrisplosion]

I think as fishkeepers it our responsibility to try our best to provide the best environment for our fishes within reason. I also believe that if you are gonna care for something its your responsibility to research it and decide whether you are going to be able to provide what is needed.

While I would love to own say a stingray, arowana, or even a peacock bass, I can not provide adequate means for those kind of fish so I am not going to go out and buy them. I saw a peacock bass in the store the other day and wanted nothing more than to take it home, but I didn't. I don't have a tank large enough to provide for, and even it its only temporary and not for its life I know I run the risk of stunting the fish before I rehome it. After all its the fishes needs that matter, not ours. So while some people may go about it in a rather rude manner, they are looking out for what best for the fish.

Its easy to say that you will upgrade in the future but by the time you get around to it its more than likely too late. I do not know much about ATF but I do know a 125g is bay far too small for one which you are aware of. At a certain point though the tank is gonna become too small for it, and unless increasingly larger water changes are done on the tank it will start to become stunted. The fish will be releasing hormones into the water, and as they build up its telling the body to stop growing. Larger fish is gonna be producing more hormones meaning much larger water changes to compensate. Small fish in big tanks, this is very easy to manage but large fish in small tanks its becomes an endless struggle. You can grow an Oscar to full size in a 10g tank if you change the water enough but its not gonna be a happy life for the fish.

So should we shy away from fish? I think yes if you cannot provide for it adequately.

 

[Slippery K]

If you cant properly provide for a pet, then dont buy it. Unfortunately some people dont consider this when looking for a new pet or a new addition to a current habitat.

 

[jabsthetank]

I think as fishkeepers it our responsibility to try our best to provide the best environment for our fishes within reason. I also believe that if you are gonna care for something its your responsibility to research it and decide whether you are going to be able to provide what is needed.

While I would love to own say a stingray, arowana, or even a peacock bass, I can not provide adequate means for those kind of fish so I am not going to go out and buy them. I saw a peacock bass in the store the other day and wanted nothing more than to take it home, but I didn't. I don't have a tank large enough to provide for, and even it its only temporary and not for its life I know I run the risk of stunting the fish before I rehome it. After all its the fishes needs that matter, not ours. So while some people may go about it in a rather rude manner, they are looking out for what best for the fish.

Its easy to say that you will upgrade in the future but by the time you get around to it its more than likely too late. I do not know much about ATF but I do know a 125g is bay far too small for one which you are aware of. At a certain point though the tank is gonna become too small for it, and unless increasingly larger water changes are done on the tank it will start to become stunted. The fish will be releasing hormones into the water, and as they build up its telling the body to stop growing. Larger fish is gonna be producing more hormones meaning much larger water changes to compensate. Small fish in big tanks, this is very easy to manage but large fish in small tanks its becomes an endless struggle. You can grow an Oscar to full size in a 10g tank if you change the water enough but its not gonna be a happy life for the fish.

So should we shy away from fish? I think yes if you cannot provide for it adequately.

Well put.

 

[ElectricBlueSeanBurch]

I hate when I start a thread about a sick fish, and people start asking if I've tested my water lately, and I'm all like what does that matter bro my fish is sick. Geez!

 

[TripleW]

I think as fishkeepers it our responsibility to try our best to provide the best environment for our fishes within reason. I also believe that if you are gonna care for something its your responsibility to research it and decide whether you are going to be able to provide what is needed.

While I would love to own say a stingray, arowana, or even a peacock bass, I can not provide adequate means for those kind of fish so I am not going to go out and buy them. I saw a peacock bass in the store the other day and wanted nothing more than to take it home, but I didn't. I don't have a tank large enough to provide for, and even it its only temporary and not for its life I know I run the risk of stunting the fish before I rehome it. After all its the fishes needs that matter, not ours. So while some people may go about it in a rather rude manner, they are looking out for what best for the fish.

Its easy to say that you will upgrade in the future but by the time you get around to it its more than likely too late. I do not know much about ATF but I do know a 125g is bay far too small for one which you are aware of. At a certain point though the tank is gonna become too small for it, and unless increasingly larger water changes are done on the tank it will start to become stunted. The fish will be releasing hormones into the water, and as they build up its telling the body to stop growing. Larger fish is gonna be producing more hormones meaning much larger water changes to compensate. Small fish in big tanks, this is very easy to manage but large fish in small tanks its becomes an endless struggle. You can grow an Oscar to full size in a 10g tank if you change the water enough but its not gonna be a happy life for the fish.

So should we shy away from fish? I think yes if you cannot provide for it adequately.

+1

 

[Gill Blue]

Im not talking about keeping an aro or a rtc in a 55g. I mean like as long as the fish isent hurting himself on the glass trying to swim.

you may not be, but many are, especially newbies. so if that idea is placed in so many threads that a new person actually researching before buying will almost certainly run across it, you think that's a bad idea?
and of course you realize that if you put it in your sig line like ElectricBlueSeanBurch here, no one would need to ask.

I hate when I start a thread about a sick fish, and people start asking if I've tested my water lately, and I'm all like what does that matter bro my fish is sick. Geez!

Do you yell at your doctor when he asks if you've been walking in the woods when you have a rash on your legs? or get upset because he wants to know if you've been around anyone with chicken pox when your bumpy and itchy? how about if you have a bloody cough? do you tell him it doesn't matter if he asks if you've been in a crawlspace or damp basement?
environment matters. if only people got this. we're making the planet uninhabitable for our type of life and too many people don't understand. in the much smaller area of a fish tank, it's that much more concentrated, and important.