Theory on internal parasites in clown loaches.

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A theory on internal parasites in loaches.

This post is an observation I have made while working at my LFS. We frequently utilize clown loaches to eliminate snails in our tanks, especially the planted tanks. These tanks are frequently loaded with Malaysian trumpet snails and other "undesirable" snail pests that come in with plant orders. We usually use the smallest loaches, and they are frequently skinny and are suspect carriers of internal parasites. It's cheaper to use them at their smallest size.

What I have observed with these fish intrigues me. Almost every small and skinny loach we drop into an infested tank not only beats the assumed parasite infection, but grows more rapidly than would be expected.


My theory:


These fish do have internal parasites. They show all of the symptoms. I believe they have this infection due to being underfed while in holding tanks, and not being fed at all during the long travel from exporting country to importer to transhipper to distributor, and finally to the retailer. The fact that they are then placed in a tank with a virtually unlimited high protein source has two benefits that aids the fish in ridding itself of these parasites: The high protein diet kick starts the immune system that is deficient from being highly under fed for extended periods of time, and the large amount of food taken in daily for a months at a time "flushes" these parasites from the digestive tract. I have observed this phenomenon over the last two years and have never seen a fish succumb to internal parasites in these tanks. They start out at about an inch and a half. They are fed a limited amount of flake food, but I have never seen a fish in this situation eat it. They seem to survive solely on the snails. Within a month the fish is no longer skinny, and within a couple months the fish has grown to 2" or more. Within 3 months the fishes color and size makes it desirable to a certain fishkeeper employee (me). I buy the fish, and the cycle starts all over again.


Again, it's just a theory, and I'd appreciate your feedback. I'll post this on my blog for future users that miss the thread.
 
very interesting great news as snails breed like well snails :ROFL:they out do rabits by a long shot i have a pond snail in a planted tank for algea control, now this snail has laid around 4 -5 large batches of baby's in in the last few weeks so in a snail only tank with high water changes and high feeding ytou could have a simple to keep and fast breeding source of feeders.
 
I actually had a 5 gallon tank dedicated to breeding snails. I got rid of it when I needed the wall space to upgrade. I do however still utilize mussels as part of the diet. I am thinking of trying to find a source that is less expensive so I can make mussels part of the staple diet that I feed the loaches.
 
snails are pretty hardy i have found mine living in a pond that had been stagnant for months and all levels would have been off the charts but they survived this and even breed in those conditions so a bucket with an airstone would probably do.

how big is your pack now mate ?
 
frasertheking;2183738; said:
snails are pretty hardy i have found mine living in a pond that had been stagnant for months and all levels would have been off the charts but they survived this and even breed in those conditions so a bucket with an airstone would probably do.

how big is your pack now mate ?

Somewhere around 90, split between two tanks. It's like a wave of Orange and Black begging every time I walk past the tank.
 
I think 1" and under loaches are just underfed and doesn't necessarily carry any parasites. Those loaches were probably captive bred anyway and that's why they are so small to begin with.
 
is300zx;2184276; said:
I think 1" and under loaches are just underfed and doesn't necessarily carry any parasites. Those loaches were probably captive bred anyway and that's why they are so small to begin with.
Actually, those are captive-bred indeed. I find it very common lately to hear many people even placing the poor clowns in fishbowls and small tanks instead of properly accommodating them in large tanks where there is plenty of space for them to swim around.

Small clowns need frequent feedings to begin with. Snails are indeed an invaluable source especially the common pond snails which are by far the most prolific. Most Malaysian trumpet snails though may not be eaten by the loaches depending on their sizes, thanks to their operculum which serves as a deterrent for most predators. Loaches with elongated snouts compared to clowns and zebras particularly the yoyos and tigers are more versatile and adept at consuming MTS and many other invertebrates.
 
i like the theory.

it emphasizes how important and beneficial live foods and 'natural' protein consumption can be. I think the digestive system parasites may be unable to support the change in their environment considering all the snail matter they are now exposed to. Consider also the water chemistry differences existing in a planted tank in comparison to the transport conditions and previous shipping conditions.

i recon there are unknown benefits (trace compounds) to living in a planted tank in the first place anyway.
 
Quite a theory, and I'm on board. I feel the best thing for the "skinny disease" is a gut load of protein. That initial feeding may just jump start the digestion/immune system. Kind of like starve a fever, feed the flu. The body can't compete w/attacks on the system w/o proper nutrition.
 
That is exactly what I was thinking.
 
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