This Has Stumped the Oscar Community

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Judge Holden

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Two days earlier they looked like this:
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The basics: 90 gallon with a one-year-old Oscar, 3 SDs, 1 Firemouth
2 Eheim 2215s, 70% water change every 5-7 days. Ammonia & nitrites are always 0. Nitrate is orange before water changes. (API tests)
PH in tank and tap is 7.4, KH is 6, GH is 8, temp 79-80
I use Prime, no salt,
This tank has been up since May. His first tank, a 100 gallon piece of $%^& by Oddysea, burst. He first had the problem there.

He eats Omega One pellets, Massivores, freeze-dried krill, Omega One Veggie Rounds. About half his meals are soaked in Vita Chem. I'm trying to get him on an every other day schedule, but he begs like a puppy.
I've tried removing everything from the tank except two plastic ornaments. I've tried correlating the emergence of these ghostly spots with how long it's been since a water change, but there's no obvious connection. They don't go beyond the dorsal fin.

He's had these once in January, March, and April, and at least twice in June. The first day you can only see them up close at a certain angle. In 1-2 days you can see them from across the room. He flashes. In a day or two they're gone (until recently). My Firemouth and SDs are fine. This video was made in mid June. It shows how completely these things go away between episodes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okcQ1G0shZA&feature=related

They're getting worse. For the last two months he's had them most of the time. I've tried Seachem Paraguard, the Melafix-Pimafix combo, and Seachem Neoplex. I'm having trouble finding anyone who's even seen this.

Here's some recent pics:
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Here's an example from June of how quickly they used to come and go. One day:
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And the very next day:
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Has anyone seen this?
 
Thanks. This Oscar rocks. Aside from scratching his spots he's rowdy and healthy.

A marine biologist took a shot at it: "I would definitely vote for the problem to be biological rather than chemical.

"A protozoan or prokaryotic symbiont of some sort. Whether the critter is parasitic or not is up for debate. ... This almost looks commensalisitc to me. The classic example of this type of relationship is a bird nesting in a tree. The bird clearly benefits, but it neither harms nor helps the tree to have a bird nest in it.

"I would guess you have something with a complex life cycle where in one stage its visible in rings on the fish's skin and in other stages its somewhere else in the tank (free swimming, stuck to the glass, inside the fish.... don't really know where)."

An Ichthyologist who teaches at Sacramento and specializes in New World cichlids said he's never seen it before. This is the first pic I took of it in March.

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wow, sorry to be of absolutely no help......but maybe it is something similar to blushing? That is just a wild out there guess, but maybe some sort of emotional skin reaction?
 
Wow. I thought for sure someone would've figured it out by now. It may be just as the marine biologist stated. Have you ever seen any weird growths anywhere else in the tank?

I was just reading a post yesterday about someone's tilapia being sick and having some sort of bacteria. The posters responding to the OP were saying it was duckbill? This isn't what your fish has, but in that post in the pics of the fish, there were growths on the face that looked fairly similar. I wish I were better with the advanced search or I'd provide the link.

I gotta bump ya again. Good luck man.
 
Very strange indeed. Based only on the raised appearance and the pattern it is presenting, it looks to be fungal. I am no expert on fish let alone fish disease, just hoping to help you shed some light on helping this apparently beautiful oscar. Sometimes these fungal things will not respond to traditional medications. Good luck with him.
 
I would see about biopsying a portion of those spots, if you can't figure out whats going on. I really don't know who you could send them to, but someone that knows what they are doing should be able to tell you at least if you are looking at something parasitic/fungal etc.
 
I haven't seen any other growths, though some cooties are species-specific. When it's not there I forget all about it. It's gone without a trace:
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Unfortunately it's been sticking around much more than when it first appeared. I've been following the Tilapia thread. Duck lips starts small and then each day rapidly the mouth of the fish exstends forward in a locking position and dies within a couple of days. What my O has comes & goes over a period of months (it's been 9 so far).

I would see about biopsying a portion of those spots ...
That's what I've been thinking too. It's a matter of finding a vet or LFS who knows what they're doing.
 
BUMP. good luck.
 
Because it's growing in circles and patches, I gotta feel that it is fungal as well. In fact, if it were on a person, I would go so far as to say it is Athlete's Foot. I am almost certain it is fungal.

If it is a weird fungal infection, it may take far longer than normal for it to respond to medications.
 
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