This is really starting to bug me....

[cichlidfish]

Whenever some needs an ID on a CA or SA people are so quick ID a fish as a hybrid. Especially when the pics are crappy and the fish are too young .
Just guessing at an ID just gives false info and doesn't help the person who needs a proper ID.
Also common names are misleading too.
Anyone else notice this?


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[haynchinook334]

Yep....noticed it a lot lately. False information is often given out as well.

 

[Andrewtfw]

Also noticed that once someone suggests hybrid others start guessing what the cross may be when (as you noted) the fish is likely not a hybrid, just young and poorly photographed.

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[Freshwaterpredators]

LOL exactly. and you gotta love the maybe its 100% this or that When i first started this thread i was a little timid giving or asking for advice because of everyone that had high post counts. but after being here for awile, i realized that didnt mean squat~!~ LOL But your right i second the idea of, if you dont really know then please dont say

 

[ryansmith83]

I just mentioned this is another thread. It seems to happen all the time. It's like people don't even try to ID the fish, they just automatically respond with "looks like a hybrid." Some of these fish aren't even able to cross-breed. If people don't know enough about a species to realize that, they probably shouldn't be suggesting it in the first place.

 

[00rollins]

Is false id really new, even before the induction of hybrids exploded into popularity?
I seem to think opinion has and will always get in the way of fact, not only on mfk.
The ever increasing amount of hybrids in the hobby, self proclaimed experts, and status posters can only increase the percentage of these false identefications. I have not been an mfk member long and an active poster for even less a duration but it seems that this is a problem that wont go away.

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[darippa]

Rollins is right. The problem does not lie with the identifier. These people are only trying to help. The problem is there are just way too many hybrids out there and they are not hard to identify. Especially when you've been studying these fish for twenty years or more. At one inch you should be able to tell the difference between a Blackbelt, Synspilum or Bifasciatum just by body shape. It gets tricky when you're trying to I.D. a Bifas from a Hartwegi or Gutalattum or Zonatum at one inch cause they share the same body shape. Only when the color starts to show will you be able to differentiate. Now, this formula doesn't work for Amphilophus fans cause Citrinellum are seperated from Labiatus and Sagittae through slight variances in body shape in adults. You have Flowerhorns now that transcend all strains of Amphilophus including Trimacs, Hoogabooms, etc. So hitting up the LFS with hopes of bagging a real Midas Cichlid is almost impossible unless the fish is of good size.

 

[Stratoquarius]

Its because I believe in America lots of places like Petsmart and walmart sell poor condition hybrid fish but I've never really came across hybrids unless they were sold as hybrids, and even then they weren't exactly cheap because of their "exotic" look. sometimes peopel are just wrong and see what they want to see. for instance they see seperate qualities of one species and then they assume its a hybrid instead of realising that a single fish can have these joint characteristics, I've been guilty of this as we all have at some point or another.

Sometimes there is something about a fish that's just a bit off (like my Chocolate cichlid thread) the fish could be a cross between two localities of the same fish and therefore have different traits, or maybe even a fish could have some deformity such as SB deformity, most people on here would probably hypothesise that the fish is half jellybean/bloodparrot whereas in reality the SB gene exists in many different fish species as a naturally occurring (and farm bred trait) much like Albinism and other colour conditions.

We have all seen the typical 2" stress barred JD/RD/Festae whatever that looks like about 70% of all 2" stressed CA/SA cichlids and people see what they want to see.

 

[00rollins]

Rollins is right. The problem does not lie with the identifier. These people are only trying to help. The problem is there are just way too many hybrids out there and they are not hard to identify. Especially when you've been studying these fish for twenty years or more. At one inch you should be able to tell the difference between a Blackbelt, Synspilum or Bifasciatum just by body shape. It gets tricky when you're trying to I.D. a Bifas from a Hartwegi or Gutalattum or Zonatum at one inch cause they share the same body shape. Only when the color starts to show will you be able to differentiate. Now, this formula doesn't work for Amphilophus fans cause Citrinellum are seperated from Labiatus and Sagittae through slight variances in body shape in adults. You have Flowerhorns now that transcend all strains of Amphilophus including Trimacs, Hoogabooms, etc. So hitting up the LFS with hopes of bagging a real Midas Cichlid is almost impossible unless the fish is of good size.

This is why if im gonna add a pure bred to my collection i will opt to pay extra and go to a reputable dealer for a fish i can be certain about,not only of its genetics but oregin as well.

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[00rollins]

Its because I believe in America lots of places like Petsmart and walmart sell poor condition hybrid fish but I've never really came across hybrids unless they were sold as hybrids, and even then they weren't exactly cheap because of their "exotic" look. sometimes peopel are just wrong and see what they want to see. for instance they see seperate qualities of one species and then they assume its a hybrid instead of realising that a single fish can have these joint characteristics, I've been guilty of this as we all have at some point or another.

Sometimes there is something about a fish that's just a bit off (like my Chocolate cichlid thread) the fish could be a cross between two localities of the same fish and therefore have different traits, or maybe even a fish could have some deformity such as SB deformity, most people on here would probably hypothesise that the fish is half jellybean/bloodparrot whereas in reality the SB gene exists in many different fish species as a naturally occurring (and farm bred trait) much like Albinism and other colour conditions.

We have all seen the typical 2" stress barred JD/RD/Festae whatever that looks like about 70% of all 2" stressed CA/SA cichlids and people see what they want to see.

This is def true as well. Not only in fish compared to my brother I got the SB gene.

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