Thoughts on overstocking?

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Moloch

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Opening a can of worms here because its late and I'd enjoy the discussion if anyone will indulge. (Skip to the last paragraph if you just want the short version)

I've got a 90g (48x18x24) with two rena xp3s for bio, adding a magnum350 for mechanical soon.

Now here's the fun part...the stock list.

1x Jack Dempsey - 8"
2x Senegal Bichir - 8"
1x Leopard Ctenopoma - 4"
1x Black Ghost Knife - 3"
1x African Brown Knife - 5"
1x Peacock Eeel - 5"
1x Pictus Catfish - 5"
8x Tiger Barb - all full grown
1x Ropefish - 10" (adding him tomorrow, hoping it goes well)

Now, I've had the majority of these fish since they were small juveniles and I haven't had any bad aggression issues yet. The WORST that happens in my tank is when the ctenopoma decides to chase the ABK around all day. Nothing ever comes of it, they just jet around the tank like a game of cat & mouse (I swear the knife provokes the poma when he's bored).

The JD & sen's eat smaller fish I add to the tank, but other than that they don't mess with anything. The BGK is relatively new, but so far there've been no problems between him & the ABK.

In other words, overall I'm not worried about aggression, territory issues or other stocking conflicts. I realize things might change as some of the stock grows or matures & gets ornery, but I'll take that as it comes.


Basically I'm just wondering how many people here would say I'm overstocked. When I first got into the hobby about a year ago, I spent a LOT of time on this board. Got a lot of my information and basic ideas about fish keeping here. After leaving this board (for the most part) and becoming more active on a local forum (and less active on forums in general) I've come to realize that this board tends to cry 'tanks too small!' and 'overstocked!' a LOT, when the same tanks might not get the same rap anywhere else on the web.

I'm just curious to see what might be said about my tank. I've considered getting rid of a few fish from time to time, but I can't ever bring myself to do it. I think if anything, the leopard might eventually need to go if he gets much worse as he grows. The ABK might need to go once the BGK is big enough for them to start butting heads. Other than that though...I see no signs of anything that I need to worry about.


This is intended to be for discussion only...I think everything in my tank is fine, I feel like I've learned enough over the past year or so to be perfectly capable of making the judgement call as to whether or not my fish are stressed out & cramped in their habitat. If all you want to do is read the stock list, fall back on what you've read in other places about what any of my given fish might require for a tank and then try and tell me I'm torturing my fish...well say what you want but it won't really bother me.


Or in other words, to sum it all up, how do you feel about 'overstocking?' What do you think are the determining factors for deciding if your tank is overstocked, if your tank is too small for its inhabitants, or if there's an incompatibility in your stock list and you need to remove a fish to fix it (ESPECIALLY catching the incompatibility early, before real problems occur)?
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With the filtration you've got I'd say all is still well. You know i'm always up for a good conversation about it haha.

honestly if you eventually get rid of the ctenpoma and ABK i'd say you're just about good to go, and even if not with 50% weekly WC's i wouldn't be overly concerned
 
Its late and Im about to go to bed so my response will be short. lol

I actually prefer overstocking because it spreads out aggression. This does not mean extreme overstocking, where the fish run into each other. Just a few more than "stocked" is what I prefer. There has to be more than adequate filtration on the tank in order to keep them healthy as well as weekly water changes. If those are up to par and the tank is well maintained it should work. I have overstocked my african and catfish tank for this reason.
 
I say if the fish have plenty room to move around example (a full grown oscar in a 10 gallon would be bad) there's no agression isssues the fish are not stressed and your water paremeters are in check then all is good. If not then its time to make some changes.

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I'de add another Sen instead of the ropefish. few reasons being rope fish aren't exactly graceful, and I would have some concern about some of the more aggressive tank-mates being an issue. and just like other Polys...and in particular these guys seem to really enjoy groups. They also tend to be ime very docile compared to other polys.

you may or may-not have issues with the BGK/ABK mix I know some knives mix just fine.. I just can't rememebr which ones.

You've already pin-pointed the Cteno as a possible bully. Just keep an eye on it seems like you know your tank heirarchy better then most pay attention. I've found this to be key whenever keeping " ? " species together. I've tried a few mixes that worked that i've been told wouldn't.. and I've had mixes that everyone say work just fine, and they didn't work at all.

Long as your keeping up with maintence none of the fish you have will outgrow the tank. which is usually the big "OH NO YOU AIN'T!" *finger snap* response people get. Overstocking with proper husbandry is very different then stuffing baby monsters into tanks way to small long-term. Sadly alot of over-stocking issues result in death not due to overcrowing, but poor water quality.
 
rope is currently doing fine in with a sev and green terror, always gets plenty of food and nobody tends to really bother him
 
NCStateFisher;5072277; said:
rope is currently doing fine in with a sev and green terror, always gets plenty of food and nobody tends to really bother him

(Clearly) this is where I'm getting the rope, and its why I'm not too worried about taking it on as a solo specimen.

If anything starts to go awry, I would probably get rid of the JD & Ctenopoma and add a second rope. I'm getting more and more into plants and I'm tired of them coming up. The thing is, my Jack only digs out his own caves. He doesn't go around digging up random plants. What happens is, he'll go nudge another fish out of its spot and the resulting flurry will occasionally pull a plant up.

The only thing I don't like about that idea is that I would then have no 'centerpiece' type fish. Everything would be bottom dwellers, nocturnal and scarce. Not too big a deal, but my wife would nag me about not having any more 'pretty fish' if I get rid of the cichlid :irked:



Everyone elses' responses....pretty much exactly how I feel. Honestly my biggest surprise is that no one has said I need a 125 for the BGK and the jack dempsey will kill everything in the tank:screwy:
 
Moloch;5073046; said:
Everyone elses' responses....pretty much exactly how I feel. Honestly my biggest surprise is that no one has said I need a 125 for the BGK and the jack dempsey will kill everything in the tank:screwy:

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I say as long as your fish can move around comfortably, have adequate filtration for the amount of fish you have, and most importantly are happy then you're good. Obviously stated above an oscar in a 10g is terrible, it sounds like you've got things figured out for you're set up though. :thumbsup:
 
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