tips for breeding angels?

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Jack Dempsey
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Apr 15, 2012
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Hello MFK,

I have a pair of blushing koi angels that have been showing breeding behavior for over 6 months now, but have never spawned. I was wondering if anyone had any tips that I haven't tried to get things rolling...

My angels are kept in a 55gal planted tank. Parameters are 82*F, 6.0ph, 0amm/0nitrite/<5 Nitrate with twice weekly water changes of 20% using 100% buffered RO. I have been using the RO for almost a year now as my tap water is absolute crap and LOADED with phosphates and ag chemicals (Fresno, CA). Prior to RO, I was having regular fish loss. My filtration is two Rena XP3 filters and a sponge that I keep seeded for QT purposes, and in the filters I alternate 3 weeks of peat moss and 1 week of charcoal.

In the tank with the pair are 1 other adult male pearlscale angel, 2 adolescent silver angels, 1 subadult pigeon blood discus, 4 Harlequin Rasbora and 6 glowlight danio. The stocking level has been constant for more than a few months.

The pair will pick a sword leaf and start cleaning for a few weeks, then move to a different leaf. They do occasionally make "passes" like they are breeding, but never actually lay. The only aggression in the tank is the pair towards the other male angel. After about three months of cleaning leaves, I set up a 20gal tall bare breeder with various choices for them, including one weighted sword plant, upside down pots of various sizes, and I even built them a breeding tube with some spare plexiglass and both white and grey pvc pipe. The fish were showing the behavior up till I netted them and put them in their own tank, and then nothing. For 6 weeks they did absolutely nothing. They weren't stressed as they still responded to me as if nothing at all had changed, but no breeding behavior. After that I gave up and put them back into the main tank, and they were cleaning leaves again the next morning.

I have tried raising the temps from 82 to 88 for about a week at a time. I have tried doing 50-60% water changes with warmer water, and with cooler water. I have tried varying the diet to include live and frozen bloodworms, beefheart, daphnia, tubifex worms, home-grown feeders, and more. I have also tried various currents ranging from none (normal) to fairly vigorous. Nothing stops the pair from cleaning, but the Discus doesn't like the current.

They are still at this moment cleaning away a leaf with papila showing (they never put em away...)

I love my aquatic buddies, and I would love nothing more than to have more little aquatic buddies to love too...


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As you can see, I started a water change this morning then realized I forgot to start water over the weekend, and that I was out of RO... waiting for my source to open. The male koi is on the left, female is center, PS male is on right.

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I think that you might be doing too many water changes. I had a pair in a 55 gallon and I did weekly water changes because I thought that it would make them breed better. In fact it stressed them out to the point of not breeding, but they showed signs of breeding just like yours do. So one week I didn't do a water change and 3 days after I missed the day, BAM eggs.f
 
I think that you might be doing too many water changes. I had a pair in a 55 gallon and I did weekly water changes because I thought that it would make them breed better. In fact it stressed them out to the point of not breeding, but they showed signs of breeding just like yours do. So one week I didn't do a water change and 3 days after I missed the day, BAM eggs.f

if you have the fish long enough water changes shouldnt stress them out. once the pair laid eggs is when you should stop doing water changes for a few days until the eggs hatch to frys.

what have you been feeding the fish? usually introducing live food can help kick start the breeding process. on a side not i think you should get rid of the discus. a lone discus is never a good idea especially when its in a tank with angels. and you dont have room to add the required amount of discus to make it happy.
 
While I do agree on the discus point, the wife won't let me. Same for the pearlscale angel. That's why I tried using a separate breeder tank, but nothing doin... Seriously, it's my home-office tank and the wife still rules it..

I do feed live food semi-regularly. Guppy fry (home grown) and blood worms. Also feed frozen bloodworms, tubifex, beefheart, daphnia. Dried gammarus shrimp and bloodworms, and a staple krill flake that I buy in bulk. They get a good variety of foods.

One thing I hadn't tried as I had never considered it before now is dimming the lights. Have 2 46" T5HO singles, one a plant spectrum, the other a 10k (like the color). I cut out the 10k today, maybeit was a little too much for them. I'll see what happens from here.

Thankyou for the responses!
 
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