Yes all comments are welcome.. thats not a problem..
Both of these fish were bred by people i know..
the one in the first pic: dad was KML, mum was ZZ..
I'd just call it ZZ as it fits the description, its nothing like a malau, and has no other blood, so not kamfa..
The second one, i didn't ask the parentage, but will when i get a chance...
After looking at it more closely.. has sunken eyes, shorter face than most ZZ, has obvious synspilum traits.. but no wrap tail/fins..
so i guess its a lower grade kamfa..