Undergravel filtration

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Vince

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I have a three tanks using the wet and dry system, and also three tanks with the undergravel (UGF) system. My neighbors even notices it that the UGF is much more crystal clear than the wet and dry filter system. Somehow, the wet and dry system, I can remove the silt when I need to clean it. But the UGF, all of that soot and silt is left under the filter and gravel. Does anyone have a technique they use to clean out the mess under the UGF? What is the worst case scenario if that mess under the UGF is "never" cleaned?

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Last time when i was using UGFs i used to stuff one of those airline tubings thru the uplift tube under the UGF plate. Then just put the free end between my palms and spin. Most of the dirt would get dislodged and then i just siphon it away from the uplift. If you dont clear the dirt regularly, oxygen will not flow, it would become a dead spot and anaerobic bacteria would takeover causing the build up of toxic gases which would then kill your fish.
 
I did pretty much the same, I would run a siphon tube under the plate through the uplift tube, for the hommade ones I'd run the siphon through the pvc pipes and follow it up with a few minutes of an inline pump that was several times stronger than the powerheads.
 
I need to set up an undergravel system for a 75gallon tank. I just looked at petsmart's website and the largest they sell is for a 55gallon. I've always used power filters, and don't really know how the UGF would work. Do I need a powerhead for each side?

I suppose I should do some online research, but any help here would be appreciated.
 
Big Al's online has different sizes. But I've been asking/researching on how to DIY a UGF. Powerhead is not necessary, I am using an airpump right now. Powerhead is nice though, but be careful because it is a very strong pump. I don't know how this happened, but I saw my delhizi sucked up into the tube and his head was sucked up into the powerhead. This is the smallest powerhead also, not the big one. For the price, I like the UGF and, this is old school filtration. Alot of fish stores still use this type for their tanks that doesn't have the filtration systems integrated. Pain in da arse to maintain, but in the long run, when one fish gets sick, it is quaratined into the tank and not the entire system. This is more than two cents!
 
A larger ugf like a 55 works best with a power head on both sides. I use both powerfilters and ugf in the same tank and run them from different electrical circuits. If you do that then don't worry about the little bit of gravel that is not over the filter plate, I seldom use ugf under much more than 1/2 a tank anyway so I can do planting. A ugf is basically a big biofilter that uses your gravel as the media to support/shelter bacteria. It takes a little longer to get fully established than power filters, A 20g will work fine with just airlifts but larger plates need powerheads to get enough flow through the gravel though I did use several small seperate filterplates and airlift tubes in a 90g once, I just disguised the scattered uplift tubes with Java moss, looked pretty cool and worked fine. I use around 3" of fine-medium gravel and do a siphoning of surface detritus as needed, once a moth or so I stir up a small section of the gravel to make sure that it doesn't get compacted, if you have a community tank and feed tubifex worms fish like corys and clown loaches will do a lot of that for you.
NEVER Vac more than 1/3 the gravel at a time as that is wear your bacteria live., to speed the establishment of a good bacterial colony just take the filter sponges out of a powerfilter and squeeze the sludge from them onto the gravel over a working plate and stir it in a little, this will save days.
Ugfs are a bit slower than cannisters and powerfilters so alone won't support as large a bioload as they will, and most keepers over load the tanks, but they do work well if you let them and make a great suplemental filter that will give you time to fix a problem if the other filter fails. If you have a powerhead fail just shove an air tube down that uplift tube until you get it fixed.
One note, once established ugfs cannot be just turned off and left, within a few days the aerobic bacteria will crash and your tank will turn anerobic. Not good!
Most people who have problems with ugfs just fiddle with them too much, I knew someone who was very disatisfied with the performance of his set up and it turned out he was doing a complete gravel vac every 2 weeks, that would be like replacing the bioballs in a cannister with new ones every week. all that is left is some mechanical filtration. Once running they are pretty low maintainance.
 
I place pond pads on my UGF plates. The pads prevent dirt/silt from going under the plates and they keep gravel from clogging the slots. Also makes a pretty good anchor for plant roots. I set up a 240 poly tank with this configuration and ran it for 2 years before I had to move the tank. When we broke the tank down there wasn't a thing under the plates.
As an experiment, last year I set up a 75gal with UGF and covered the plates with polyethylene reinforced pond pads (1"). I connected the lift tubes to the drains of the wet/dry filter. At the connection joint is a "T" fitting. The open part of the "T" comes 1/4" below the lip of the tank. The open part serves to make the connection a gravity-drain for the UGF and also serves as a backup drain in case the flow through the UGF ever goes below the flow rate of the return pump.
The setup has been working like a champ. No special maintenance issues with it. I do routine water changes/gravel washes on it with no problems. The tank holds a breeding pair of sleeper gobies. None of the fry have ever been pulled into the filter.
 
Oddball, sweet set up.
 
mbierzyc said:
I need to set up an undergravel system for a 75gallon tank. I just looked at petsmart's website and the largest they sell is for a 55gallon. I've always used power filters, and don't really know how the UGF would work. Do I need a powerhead for each side?

I suppose I should do some online research, but any help here would be appreciated.
We bought ours from an eBay store called foryourfish. It's a Perfect-A-Flo that is 18"x 48" for our 75. The thing I liked about compared to others is it has a corugated surface like VVVVVVVVVVVV that increases the surface area. We use powerheads because of their, uh, power. You need something that turns over the volume in your tank 6- 10 times or more an hour, something like two @ 360 GPH for a 75.
(I love eBay ;) )
 
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