US Native Fish Care Sheets

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Mods, I am making this hoping it to become a sticky!

Hey guys, looking around the internet I noticed how VERY few native fish care sheets or information there is. Being that natives are so great I figured that we as native keepers, past native keepers, native experts, and maybe even fishermen that know extensively about the fish should make some nice care sheets so that people looking to get into natives can have a good and reliable knowledge source. You guys can post about ANY US native fish you want. From pygmy sunfish to paddlefish there are so many care sheets that can be made! Please keep non-care-sheet replies to a minimum if possible. Some things that I and many feel it is important to include would be max size, tank size (or dimensions), temperature, and ph. Those are very important but please feel free to include as much other info as you would like to. I will make the first care sheet to kick this off and in case others would like an example of formatting for them.
 
Here is the first one!

Name: Channel Catfish
Scientific Name: Ictalurus punctatus
Temperament: Peaceful (towards fish it can't fit in its mouth)
Max Size: anywhere from 18"-48"
Tank Size: Depending on adult size 180-600+ gallons
Origin: Most of the US (most are farm raised or aquacultured)
Experience: Moderate
Temperature: 50-82F (they can go much colder and a bit hotter, but that is what is preferred)
ph: 6.0-8.0
Feeding: Omnivore (give mostly meaty foods).
Tank mates: Larger Lepomis sunfish, black bass, yellow perch, walleye, bullheads (most larger US natives). They can also be kept with tropical fish such as larger SA or CA cichlids as well as larger tropical catfish, and a good many more.
Behavior: More dependent on the individual like most fish. Mostly nocturnal although they can be trained to come out during the day and even top feed! They don't bug other fish for the most of the time but like all catfish don't trust them with fish that can fit in their mouth such as minnows or darters.

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Good job Divemaster, they make great pond pets.

Thanks man! I have never even kept channels, I just did months of research on natives a while ago thinking that's what my 75 was going to be. the 55 I am getting in a few months will be a native though.

I'm sure you know a good bit on natives, you should make a sheet as well, this thread will take all the contributions it can get people.
 
I will, as soon as I catch up on my taxes and school work, (Im currently working and going to college); the problem is there are so many to choose from!
 
Here is profile number 2.

Name:
Rock Bass
Scientific Name: Ambloplites rupestris
Temperament: Aggressive (well behaved around similar sized tank mates for the most part)
Max Size: 8-10" (12" possible but not likely)
Tank Size: 75 Gallons
Origin: Wild Caught, mainly from creeks
Experience: Moderate
Temperature: 62-75 F is preferred (they can go quite a bit colder and a tiny bit warmer)
ph: 6.8-8.0
Feeding: Feeders are greatly appreciated, nightcrawlers, redworms, some may eat pellet but it would take time.
Tank mates: Lepomis Sunfish, black bass, larger yellow perch, walleye, larger Ictalurids, most larger natives. Some cichlids may work as tankmates as well. Avoid minnows, dace, tetras, etc as they will be eaten.
Behavior: Fairly well behaved with other fish of the same or similar size. An ambush predator by nature, they will without a doubt eat any and all tankmates that they can catch and will fit in their mouth. Not the most personable fish, they may hide the majority of the day but some can be very owner responsive if tame enough.

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Come on people! I know some of you could make some nice care sheets on here, so lets get this going!!!
 
Keep in mind that there are distinct state laws regarding natives, game fish, etc etc, They vary from state to state. If you want this to be comprehensive, these should be included as well, if you want to make it a sticky.

Nice thread though! Learning a lot so far.
 
Here is profile number 2.

Name:
Rock Bass
Scientific Name: Ambloplites rupestris
Temperament: Aggressive (well behaved around similar sized tank mates for the most part)
Max Size: 8-10" (12" possible but not likely)
Tank Size: 75 Gallons
Origin: Wild Caught, mainly from creeks
Experience: Moderate
Temperature: 62-75 F is preferred (they can go quite a bit colder and a tiny bit warmer)
ph: 6.8-8.0
Feeding: Feeders are greatly appreciated, nightcrawlers, redworms, some may eat pellet but it would take time.
Tank mates: Lepomis Sunfish, black bass, larger yellow perch, walleye, larger Ictalurids, most larger natives. Some cichlids may work as tankmates as well. Avoid minnows, dace, tetras, etc as they will be eaten.
Behavior: Fairly well behaved with other fish of the same or similar size. An ambush predator by nature, they will without a doubt eat any and all tankmates that they can catch and will fit in their mouth. Not the most personable fish, they may hide the majority of the day but some can be very owner responsive if tame enough.
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My experience with the 2 I have is VERY different so I can't agree with Temperament, Tank Mates & Behavior (ambush predator is accurate though). Those 2 do NOT get along with each other in a 75 gal tank much less with anything else. They terrorized my Bluegills that were twice their size when they were kept together (since moved). None of the Bluegills were allowed in the bottom half of the tank. Sometimes not even at the top. The Rock Bass were just to quick to see them coming so scared the Gills which would immediately flee resulting in being chased & nipped at. If they didn't flee then sometimes the Rock Bass would leave them alone or would continually flare at them until they moved slowly away.

During the day the Gills sometimes MIGHT go to the bottom since my really mean Rock Bass rarely comes out in daylight, but as soon as the lights went out up they came to the top. The only time my really mean Rock Bass wasn't mean was when my male Bluegill started spawning ... then, even he knew to keep his distance & stay incognito. Although they did fight once. Looked like a fish tornado.

This was in a moderately planted tank with multiple caves & hiding spots. The one very, very aggressive Rock Bass claimed every hidey hole whether he used it not & the whole bottom. Had to put him into a tank by himself. And the other one in another tank by himself.

I just recently got another 75 gal & put the 2 Rock Bass together in that tank. Put the less mean one in first to get used to the layout & stake his claim but all that did was get him beat up when I moved mean fish there. It's a heavily planted tank with lots of cover & 3 caves. Still trying to see if this is going to work out but not looking good as the mean fish still wants every hiding spot & the whole bottom of the tank. He just can't seem to tolerate any other fish. I'll probably end up having to buy another tank to separate them again. The one I kept him in just before the move is getting too small now.

Of course it could just be my fish but even the less aggressive one when I once tried to put him back with the Bluegills started taking over the tank scaring the Gills. And he was no where near as aggressive. The Gills were just so stressed out & jumpy had to move him out again.

They are very smart though. Taught the mean one to play by following my finger around the tank. He tries to attack it but does so playfully now. If I move my finger to the right he knows to circle around the rock. Move it left/up he would go around & under the driftwood. We would do that every night. I miss that now that I've moved him. He also knows what it means when I tap on the glass .. which is I want him to either turn around or come out. He usually does but not always .. depends on his mood I guess. LOL

Hope others have better luck.
 
My experience with the 2 I have is VERY different so I can't agree with Temperament, Tank Mates & Behavior (ambush predator is accurate though). Those 2 do NOT get along with each other in a 75 gal tank much less with anything else. They terrorized my Bluegills that were twice their size when they were kept together (since moved). None of the Bluegills were allowed in the bottom half of the tank. Sometimes not even at the top. The Rock Bass were just to quick to see them coming so scared the Gills which would immediately flee resulting in being chased & nipped at. If they didn't flee then sometimes the Rock Bass would leave them alone or would continually flare at them until they moved slowly away.

During the day the Gills sometimes MIGHT go to the bottom since my really mean Rock Bass rarely comes out in daylight, but as soon as the lights went out up they came to the top. The only time my really mean Rock Bass wasn't mean was when my male Bluegill started spawning ... then, even he knew to keep his distance & stay incognito. Although they did fight once. Looked like a fish tornado.

This was in a moderately planted tank with multiple caves & hiding spots. The one very, very aggressive Rock Bass claimed every hidey hole whether he used it not & the whole bottom. Had to put him into a tank by himself. And the other one in another tank by himself.

I just recently got another 75 gal & put the 2 Rock Bass together in that tank. Put the less mean one in first to get used to the layout & stake his claim but all that did was get him beat up when I moved mean fish there. It's a heavily planted tank with lots of cover & 3 caves. Still trying to see if this is going to work out but not looking good as the mean fish still wants every hiding spot & the whole bottom of the tank. He just can't seem to tolerate any other fish. I'll probably end up having to buy another tank to separate them again. The one I kept him in just before the move is getting too small now.

Of course it could just be my fish but even the less aggressive one when I once tried to put him back with the Bluegills started taking over the tank scaring the Gills. And he was no where near as aggressive. The Gills were just so stressed out & jumpy had to move him out again.

They are very smart though. Taught the mean one to play by following my finger around the tank. He tries to attack it but does so playfully now. If I move my finger to the right he knows to circle around the rock. Move it left/up he would go around & under the driftwood. We would do that every night. I miss that now that I've moved him. He also knows what it means when I tap on the glass .. which is I want him to either turn around or come out. He usually does but not always .. depends on his mood I guess. LOL

Hope others have better luck.

oh wow bro! I was getting my info from when I helped take care of a 75 gallon tank at my local fishing store, the rock bass just hid under..well a rock all day! It shared the tank with some bluegills and creek chub. Thanks for sharing your experience though!
 
When I first got the 2 they were kept in a 20 gal round tub for a couple weeks with a modified fountain pump - they were only about 2" then. I added some rocks & hiding holes. During that time they almost never came out and the mean one very rarely ate anything. The less aggressive one after 4 days did finally come out to eat. Mean one would sometimes eat if I could drop the food so it landed in his cave. After 2.5 weeks I finally saw the mean one come out to chase the other one when he was trying to eat, even though he still wasn't eating but every few days. I should have known right then it wasn't going to work out but thought once I got them into a bigger aquarium and they got over being stressed it would work out. Ha .. that's what I get for thinking.

They went in the same tank as the Bluegills and for about 1 month or 2 (maybe longer) everything was great. They learned to eat like the Bluegills (at the top of the water). And came out more even during the day. Then mean one slowly started getting meaner & meaner. Tried several things like re-arranging some things but nothing worked.

I still really like mine anyway. They are interesting fish .. they change color/pattern when scare or stressed. And like I mentioned they are very smart .. mean one smarter than the other one. I'm actually trying to teach him to stay out of the log .. that it's not his "home". LOL He seems to be learning at least when I'm around. When I'm not he does what he wants.

Last night & today things seemed a bit better, so still hoping the 2 can work it out. I'm still trying to decide if dither fish would help & if so which. I might have to post the question in the forum.
 
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