Very interesting article on polypteridae evolution (warning hard read)

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Not gonna lie, my brain hurts after reading this through but its a great read if you have a mind for this kind of thing!

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/10/21#B20

very complicated read but it is fascinating, im sure some of you will enjoy it

according to the DNA sequencing they did, mokelembembe is a sister taxon to the rest of the poly group, seperate from the rest of polypterus. as everyone probably suspected, senegals palmas (all species they had) and teugelsi are all closely related. Ornate weeksii and retropinnis are also closely related (as was suspected from myself at least) with the lower jawed bichirs being the ones with the least biodiveristy and all being very very closely related. just wow, the detail this study goes into is astounding, and finding that mokelembembe is a sister taxon could possibly mean there are (or were at least) many ohter species of bichir yet to be taxonomically classified.

thats why i love this hobby, finding species not properly taxonomically examined is great! i may have one, yet to be positive so i dont want to say i do, sp. Peru purple wolf fish. The more i look at mine and pics of other red hi fins mine just looks different. another member on here pointed it out to me.

Like JAs sp. Dabola, we can probably expect more variety of bichir to come
 
Mokes are thought be the the one of the most primitive of the bichirs.

haha the new variety of bichirs are the CB bichirs you find in the mass bred market.
 
Yup, according to their DNA analysis. Its also very interesting to me at least that mokele only has like 20 less vertebrae then rope fish, making it a sister taxon and making me really really want one now haha

I wonder what the original lower jaw bichir was, they found very little variation between congicus and endlcheri, suggesting they are extremely closely related and that other lowers all evolved from the same ancestral pair

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lix.ma14 said:
Mokes are thought be the the one of the most primitive of the bichirs.

haha the new variety of bichirs are the CB bichirs you find in the mass bred market.
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Their findings reflect that notion. New specie of fish pop up all the time, unless you've dredged every river in Africa then there's no way anyone can say there aren't more species out there. The CB varieties are cool, but finding things like sp. Dabola is or sp. Farana are way more interesting. Like I said, specimens that weren't properly taxonomically coded are the most interesting fish (to me at least) to keep

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BuffaloPolypteridae said:
Their findings reflect that notion. New specie of fish pop up all the time, unless you've dredged every river in Africa then there's no way anyone can say there aren't more species out there. The CB varieties are cool, but finding things like sp. Dabola is or sp. Farana are way more interesting. Like I said, specimens that weren't properly taxonomically coded are the most interesting fish (to me at least) to keep

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The ones that fascinate me the most are the lake turkana bichirs. The lake turkana senegals look completely difference than their other senegulas counterparts (the ones that you normally find in stores.)
They grow bigger and have a spoonhead. It's intriguing that a different subspecies is isolated in a single large lake.

My favourite bichir: http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/fo...-more-of-these!!!
 
i googled the lake turkana senegalus (that link kept on sending me back to the mfk homepage haha) very impressive, they do have a complete different over look, and it seems they get quite a bit larger then regular ones, wow i would love to have one, how much are they price-wise when theyre around?

isnt it the same thing with teugelsi? they only find them in a certain river or lake? im not sure if thats correct
 
Senegalus can be found in others places than just lake Turkana. And as for as price I don't think that one has been imported to the US yet. I remember King-Eel said that its pretty difficult to get there alive. It should be in the thread. I wish that someone could go diving and take a video of polypterus in Turkana. does anyone else know what other polys are in Turkana other than sens and pbb?
 
Dr.B said:
Senegalus can be found in others places than just lake Turkana. And as for as price I don't think that one has been imported to the US yet. I remember King-Eel said that its pretty difficult to get there alive. It should be in the thread. I wish that someone could go diving and take a video of polypterus in Turkana. does anyone else know what other polys are in Turkana other than sens and pbb?
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ive read ornates do, and in lake tangiyaka. wild underwater video/pictures of polypterus would be amazing!! wow you have a lot of bichir dr.b, havent read that through yet just did, that tank must look beautiful. literally the same species i like too, ive been thinking about growing out another CB senegal but im not sure... he wont be the same as my first one haha i was so sad when it got that watery bloat and died. its like replacing your dog with the same breed of dog, it would be weird haha
 
Idk I don't think I'm gonna get anymore sens. I think ima give away the 2 normal ones, and keep the SB (since he was my first poly)
 
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