Warmouth not doing so well, please help, Whitish face and acting weird

[fhawk362]

My warmouth is acting very strangely, his face is whitish and hes kinda just lying around. I have some crawdads in the tank that have messed with some of my fish in the past so I'm not sure if he's beat up or sick. I tried attaching a picture but I'm not sure if it worked. Please give me any tips on what I should do. Should I quarantine him or treat the whole tank for something. Let me know your thoughts, any and all help is appreciated.

 

[doomsau]

whats up with the dead little fish!? check your water parameters!!!

 

[fhawk362]

He's food, he was dead when I threw him in.

 

[predatorbass]

ARE THOSE WHITE SPOTS ON HIM? COULD BE ICH

 

[justonemoretank]

What are your ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate levels? Have you added any new fish lately? Is he flashing or breathing hard at all?

 

[fhawk362]

I put some feeder fish in about a week or longer ago, it might be ich, I think I'm going to treat it for ich and hope he gets better. He doesnt seem to be breathing too hard and he doesn't seem to be white on anything other than his face, the pictures were a little off I think unless I just cant tell.

 

[justonemoretank]

Don't treat unless you have a diagnosis. What are your ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate levels? If the problem is poor water quality, dumping in salt or chemicals isn't going to fix the problem, and the problem will continue to get worse! Do your fish a favor and test water first. You don't want to stress him out even more. If he is not flashing or breathing heavy, there's a good chance it's not ich. It might be, but water quality is always the first thing to check when your fish is ill.

 

[fhawk362]

The water tested fine, I think he's being messed with. I saw him getting messed with, I don't know if its cause he's acting weird or if thats how he got like that.

 

[justonemoretank]

What were the numbers? "Fine" is relative. And how long ago did you test? You've got a tank which is fully- to over- stocked, and you're feeding an awful lot, if your "Tank Setup" is still current. Therefore, you've got to keep up with maintenance and testing, because the conditions are such that bad things (i.e., ammonia spikes) can happen quickly.

 

[Lupin]

Justonemoretank is right. Please post exact results of your test kit. Take time to answer this form so we can cover all bases that may be overlooked.

1. What is the size of your tank?

2. What are your water parameters? State the brand of test kit used.

3. Is your aquarium set up freshwater or brackish water?

4. How long the aquarium has been set up?

5. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them?

6. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)?

7. What temperature is the tank water currently?

8. Are there live plants in the aquarium?

9. What filter are you using? State brand, maintenance routine and power capacity.

10. Any other equipment used (aside from heater and filter which are two very important components of the tank)?

11. Does your aquarium receive natural sunlight at any given part of the day? What is your lighting schedule (assuming you do not rely on sunlight for our viewing pleasure)?

12. When did you perform your last water change and how much water was changed? How often do you change your water? Do you vacuum the substrate?

13. What foods do you provide your fish? What is the feeding schedule?

14. What unusual signs have you observed in your fish?

15. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis? If so, what treatments did you use? State your reasons for planning ahead of proper diagnosis.

By the way, I do not think that is ich. Columnaris is a possibility but we'll need to know more info first so we can suggest the proper treatments for this one. Some meds will not work depending on your water conditions, etc.