WC Fish Seasonal Availability

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So as most of you know depending on the time of year certain WC fish are more readily available and cheaper for various reasons like breeding season or water levels in there native country. I know in the past I've been frustrated trying to find something for months only to find out "it was out of season" or that if I waited it would have been significantly cheaper. I am hoping to create a centralized reference with your help for MFK. I am going to pm some of the importers on here for there feedback as I am no expert on this subject but please feel free to share your info and maybe we can create a sticky!

An example of what I am talking about would be fancy plecos are more abundant in the US during the winter because its summer in SA and the water recedes so they are easier to catch.

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unfortunately there are more factors beyond seasons that dictate the availability of a fish. for example, tigrinus are seasonally caught, now., and then grown a bit and shipped out early next year, but also there are legality issues with export on them, and depending on demand, people may or may not import them. even at $50.00 a fish, x 500 fish, plus shipping costs, death, $25000 worth of fish. that's only about 10 boxes of fish, and if you add another 10 boxes of other fish., can they all be housed, or sold?

tigerfish, for example, do a search, before 1999 there were zero on the market, from 1990-99, due to political climates and such. and now they are available every winter, but who knows how long that may last. and once the demand is down, and people stop buying, the importers will stop bringing them in. realize, as cool as both fish above mentioned, they do not sell them in 90% of the local fish stores

with that being said, I sound like a debbie downer. I urge people in the fish community reading this, to bring more people into the hobby, if all memebers would bring in at least 3 memebers, this could continue to grow, and more importers will bring in fish, otherwise, like myself, am tempted to do exports only and forget retail completely due to the wishy washy nature of the American hobby.
 
Thanks Wes.

Thats the type of information I was looking for. I didnt know they caught and grew out fish before exporting. I always just thought it was catch and ship.

I agree that people need to spread the hobby as it is idle at best, but I also believe the economic state of the us effects it as it is an easy cost cut when moneys tight. I recently had a conversation with a local wholesaler and he made a point to me that was eye opening. He said this industry is one of very few that the price of fish has not changed over the last 20 years ( we were speaking more about your bread and butter stuff then mfk type fish) even though the price of frieght and fuel and over head has went up which chokes the hobby. And hes right I can remember when i started out in the late 80s a neon at a lfs was a 1.99 and you can still buy them for that!

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Here are some factors in what fish are imported:

1. Seasons affect mostly SA fish, dry season from August to January most of the time is when we will see an abundance of fish from Brazil. Colombia and Peru it can be off several months as the west side of the continent has slightly different weather patterns.

2. Political factors influence fish out of Africa, it is such a unstable region that different exporters have come and go in countries like Zaire, Tanzania, Zambia. Fish can become commonly available then suddenly disappear when governments change.

3. Legal factors - there are still a very large list of banned fish out of Brazil. There are also treaties between Brazil and its neighboring countries to not export any of those fish. The US has a treaty and can actually confiscate any banned fish from any country if the wildlife inspector chooses to. Countries like Colombia and Peru have collecting seasons for certain fish like Altums and Arowanas, outside of those months they are illegal to catch.

4. Financial factors - Exporters want large sums of $$ up front before they will ship any fish, and especially illegal fish. Many people, including myself, have lost thousands $$ to try and import the 'rare' fish only to be told the fish are no longer available or the exporter disappears with the money. Like Wes said there are minimum orders to be considered, with 10 boxes the usual minimum. Do I really want to bring in 10 boxes of the same fish when everybody that screams about wanting them all of a sudden doesn't want to pay the price for them?

5. Competition - it is very common for exporters to collect lets say 200 Tigrinus and then offer them for sale to importers. Of course we are all going to jump on them to bring some in. Next thing you know 5-6 vendors are listing them for sale, all of a sudden now the fish is considered 'common' and no one wants to pay the going price. Now we vendors have to start slashing our prices because we don't want to hold on to 30-40 tigrinus and be eaten out of house and home. They may be the only 200 Tigrinus offered for the whole year, but because they all come in at the same time the perception is that they should be cheaper. In the end only the exporters make money while the vendors kill each others profits by price drops and then no vendor wants to bring them in again. Now the cycle repeats itself 'wow Trigrinus is very rare again'!


My concluding thoughts are this - there isn't really any fish that I would consider rare to find in the wild except for what is already on the CITES list. Either legal or seasonal issues control the availability of the fish or the vendors have to consider whether or not certain fish are worth taking a financial risk to bring in. I get requests for many specific types of fish, but whether they are profitable for the fishermen to spend the time to collect and sell to exporters is another story. For example take the striped silver dollar, Mytennis fasciatus - a fish only seen a few times in the US past couple years. They are only found in one river in Brazil, fishermen have to travel a long way to catch these fish with no other profitable fish in the same area to sell. I ask my supplier to find these fish and it takes them 6 months to convince the fishermen to make the trip. They brought back a total of 6 boxes, I got one box and the other 5 to my knowledge went to Asia. They were only on the availability list once this entire year and I got some in. Would these be considered very rare fish? Heck yea, I know how hard it was to get just a box of them. Why do I still have some left in my tanks? With the large investment I put in to not have the demand they deserve I wouldn't bring them in again even if it takes another year to see them again. By then are they going to be considered 'rare' again?

Its anyones guess what will be the 'hot' fish of the current time. For me, I have decided that I am going to bring in fish that I think are not common and beautiful in my opinion. That way if I don't sell certain fish I still get to enjoy looking at them :)
 
Thanks Mark.

I dont think the average hobbyist understands the process and or risk involved for you vendors to bring in the " rare" fish and the more educated we are the better comsumers we can be.

Are asian species seasonal? Ie dats clown loach etc? Also what about rays?

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I am not as experienced dealing with Asian fish, personally I have never had a big interest in Dats, loaches, or barb family. Hopefully another vendor can answer those questions.

Stingrays can be seasonal and it is related to the dry season in Brazil, Colombia and Peru.
 
datniodes pulcher, the true wide bar, from chao pharay river or mekong, are essentially extinct in the wild, however not on CITES. Asian arowanas are on CITES appendix I, which is the most highly protected level, however they are breeding them and there are millions in the hobby around the world. the ones you see trickling out with the extra tail band, call it what you will, they are even expensive and rare., and so far there are no documented successful breedings yet.

as for indo datniodes, I don't know if they're wild or captive bred, but for the past 3 years, little ones trickle in by the thousands and cheap, but that may change one day too.

clown loaches, there are captive bred ones, but those are not wildly distrubted. there are wild ones being caught and sold yearly, in large numbers, largerer ones over 6" are banned from export I think but you'll see some 8-9" ones sneak by. We use to get 12-14" ones back in the days!!!

other asian fish bred in farms obviously not seasonal. some of the wild fish are all dependent on what is caught, what is shipped and the demand for them.
 
Good stuff. Thanks guys.

Do you get to influence what is actually collected in the wild by what is hot? Or are you just stuck with whatever they have?

Do we kinda get the leftovers that dont make it to eueope or asia?

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Good stuff. Thanks guys.

Do you get to influence what is actually collected in the wild by what is hot? Or are you just stuck with whatever they have?

Do we kinda get the leftovers that dont make it to eueope or asia?

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Probably depends on how much you've ordered in the past, how much you're going to order and how much you're willing to pay to get what you want. I'd like to see what Wes says.


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This is an interesting thread.

2. Political factors influence fish out of Africa, it is such a unstable region that different exporters have come and go in countries like Zaire, Tanzania, Zambia. Fish can become commonly available then suddenly disappear when governments change.

Another recent politically-related example that I think is really striking is the Burmese archer fish. When Wes first brought some in a couple of years ago they were exceptionally rare and probably the first time they were in the US for years, maybe decades. They were also very expensive - $250 a pop (though the price was quite reasonable given their rarity). Now, presumably related to the newfound political stability in Myanmar/Burma, burmese archers are starting to be offered by a number of different vendors and the price has dropped to less than 1/5 of those original fish.
 
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