thanks for the replies, I am debating on either building a diy stand for the 180, buying a heavy duty shelve rack from either lowes or home depot (I think they have some that can handle up to 1800 lbs per shelf or over 7500lbs total weight for the entire rack) or just buy a stand. I have not committed to either option yet since i am currently searching on this site for some of the designs for diy stands and comparing them to time and money vs money to just by a stand or to by the rack system.