i know that gold saums are mainly found in streams and rivers on the Pacific side of the Andes mountain range. ive heard that white saums are found in a different place. does anyone know were theyre from or if theyre from the same place
were do white saum variant green terrors come from?
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I don't think the the White Saums come from anywhere else.
"A. stalsbergi, which is named after Alf Stalsberg, can be found in trans-Andean rivers and lakes along the Peruvian Pacific coastline of South America between the Rio Chira in the north and Rio Pisco in the south."
"A. stalsbergi, which is named after Alf Stalsberg, can be found in trans-Andean rivers and lakes along the Peruvian Pacific coastline of South America between the Rio Chira in the north and Rio Pisco in the south."
Stalsbergi and a White Saum are a different fish. The Stalsbergi is the True Green Terror while the Gold and White Saum are both under the False Green Terror Label. As to where they come from I believe it's no different then a Gold Saum.
If you breed a White Saum male with a Gold Saum female you'll get both Gold and White Saum fry.
If you breed a White Saum male with a Gold Saum female you'll get both Gold and White Saum fry.
ok cool, i was just curious if there from a dif place,thats cool tho maybe ill breed my m white with a gold f in the future
Green Terror is a common name, so it really makes no sense to call true Green Terror versus false Green Terror. The same applied to true parrot versus fake parrot, true red terror versus fake red terror, because they are made up names and there is nothing right or wrong to use it for different species. The confusion started when the first species imported and named Green Terror was a completely different species from the later imported species also named Green Terror. Adding more confusion is that the first imported species has only white saum, and the later imported species has variant of both white and red saum from different collection points. So it was assumed incorrectly that white and red saum are two different species and thereby named true and false Green Terror.
The first species is less colorful and so less popular, and are dissappearing from the trade. Jeff Rapps has imported wild caught white saum (both species), but as far as I know, he has not found the location to collect and import the original gold saum. The aquarium strain gold saum were decendents from the original gold saum collected decades ago from unknown location.
The first species is less colorful and so less popular, and are dissappearing from the trade. Jeff Rapps has imported wild caught white saum (both species), but as far as I know, he has not found the location to collect and import the original gold saum. The aquarium strain gold saum were decendents from the original gold saum collected decades ago from unknown location.
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While I agree the 'Green Terror' is a common name given to all three, the only one that it should be refereed to is the Stalsbergi. Many people call the Gold Saum and Silver Saum a Green Terror simply because that is how they are labeled at many fish stores - heck even the wiki has the Gold Saum as the Green Terror.
Nevertheless the Stalsbergi as of now is the true Green Terror while both Saums are the false Green Terrors. When joining in a discussion regarding these three fish I try to stay away from the common label and use the terms Stalsbergi, Gold Saum or White/Silver Saum to lessen confusion.
While I agree the 'Green Terror' is a common name given to all three, the only one that it should be refereed to is the Stalsbergi. Many people call the Gold Saum and Silver Saum a Green Terror simply because that is how they are labeled at many fish stores - heck even the wiki has the Gold Saum as the Green Terror.
Nevertheless the Stalsbergi as of now is the true Green Terror while both Saums are the false Green Terrors. When joining in a discussion regarding these three fish I try to stay away from the common label and use the terms Stalsbergi, Gold Saum or White/Silver Saum to lessen confusion.
The very first GT I kept was a Stalsbergi that looks like this. Note the sickle shaped dorsal fin and different pattern of the scales that are different from the aquarium strain GT. I thought it was a poorer quality GT and didn't know it was a different species. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...6BCB202A395C374DB5F75C26BC720&selectedIndex=5 Since I had my first Stalsbergi, I never saw it sold again in LFSs. Now you can only buy it from specialty importers like Jeff Rapp. When you google GT, you still find images of two species mixed up and named the same.
As I understand it Aqualoon is correct the "True Green Terror" is Stalsbergi all Stalsbergi have white/silver edging to their fins and no other known color morph. The Stalsbergi was sometimes referred to as the Silver Saum due to the color of the edging on it's tail which would later cause even more confusion between the "True Green Terror" and the "False Green Terror"/Aequinoctialis. Stalsbergi disappeared from the trade only recently making it's way back through the efforts of specialty importers such as Jeff Rapps/TUIC. With it's(Stalsbergi's) disappearance and the introduction of Aequinoctialis the hobby attached the name Green Terror to Aequinoctialis. Aequinoctialis is now the fish most commonly associated with the common name Green Terror but are actually "False Green Terrors". Aequinoctialis is available in 2 color morphs one being known as the "Gold Saum" which has the orange edging to it's fins and a "White/Silver Saum" variety which has white/silver edging to it's fins. By the way jagsandpits the variety that you have as I've seen your other thread with the pic of your specimen is the "White/Silver Saum" color morph of Aequinoctialis.
So to be clear Stalsbergi is the "True Green Terror" and sometimes referred to as "White/Silver Saum" and always has white/silver edging to it's fins. It is rarely seen and only imported infrequently by specialty importers such as Jeff Rapps.
Photo sourced from and owned by aquaportal
The Aequinoctialis/"False Green Terror" is the most common seen Terror in the trade found easily in most LFS's. It is available in two color morphs the "White/Silver Saum" and "Gold Saum".
This photo is owned by Brent Smith aka:GreenTerra a member here on MFK.
This photo is owned by QueenslandeR another member here on MFK here's the thread the pic is in http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?182908-White-Saum-ENJOY!
I hope no one has a problem with me using their photo's for clarification as I have done my best to give them credit for the pics and in no way claim to own the pics myself. You can see the differences between them above Stalsbergi and Aequinoctialis have reversed color patterns on the scales as well as different face markings.
And the Stalsbergi will always have the inverted scale patterns...
Thanks for posting the pics, koltsix.
Thanks for posting the pics, koltsix.
No problem I was hoping seeing them side by side would help in seeing the differences between the two. To be honest the articles regarding these guys http://cichlidnews.com/issues/2011jan/andinoacara.html such as this one can be quite confusing especially since Rivulatus was also used and the article writers kept switching back and forth between Rivulatus/Stalsbergi/Aequinoctialis/Gold Saum and White Saum making it difficult to follow. So I was hoping I put it simple enough to follow without having to reread as I did when I read the articles concerning these species. Since White/Silver Saum and Rivulatus was used with both species in the article and the only difference was time and introduction and then scientists revisiting who the real Rivulatus is I struggled to read them a little.