Thanks for the replys, I bought him as a Cit and had no reason to think he was anything else until yesterday when the discussion came up and I sterted thinking (I should try to avoid that as much as possable). I've been feeding him mainly Massivore and Krill so I guess it's bringing out more of the natural red in him, plus the 10K & 6K bulbs have a spike in the red so I guess that hi-lites the color too. I wanted a big barred midas, I bought him from an lfs that brought them in from Rapps (I saw the invoice) for an MFK meet we had a couple of weeks ago. He's a great looking fish with lots of personality, I really want to see what he turns out like. TUIC always has quality fish and I've never been disapointed, this little guy is no exception. Thanks again for taking the time to reply.