what is a peel

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I dont know if this is a stupid question or what but what does it mean when they say a fh or rt peel. I would also like to know how or what a fader is as we have some rt fry about half to three quarters of an inch long when will I know the color of these guys. Our parrot and texas just spawned again today looks like at least 400 eggs.
 
A FH will go threw a phase where usually it turns black and patchy, then start developing it's permananat colour like big one said. Congrats on the eggs.
 
I believe the it's not till the second generation (Texas x BP =Rt) x (Texas x BP = RT)= True Super Red. You'll get your answer in here though. About your ? All bp's "peel" or "fade" but not all fh's do. As Chicklette said above just a phase in in which some fish go through. Good luck with your spawn!!
 
thanks for the answers this helps alot our new batch should hatch within a day or two. do these fry emit hormones that keep some of the fry small because it looks some of the fry from the last batch have hardly grown or do we need a bigger tank than a 30 to raise them at first.
 
I forgot should we get rid of any fry that show no red thanx.
 
wild bill;4358669; said:
I forgot should we get rid of any fry that show no red thanx.
A parrot and a texas will not guarantee any red at all. And in most breeding, it if is the 1st batch of trying to create a RT. Then, most likely there won't be much red on it as far as I know about them. But who knows, I could be wrong. Let them grow to about 3" at least before you do anything with them.
 
Fade is what happens when a fish like a Midas changes from it's juvie cammo coloration (that dark brown/grey that they first have) to its adult colors. I believe it signals sexual maturity (or is the start of it, they become mature soon after) and is also the point at which a fading cichlid becomes agressive. I have heard that the percentage of gold or red (whichever the base color is, ergo the % of pure base color on the fish, if it is a bright color) in a midas or red devil is a sign of the cichlids' domination over its surroundings. Big gold kokster midas are always the king, and this is reflected in the natural world, as if you're a big gold or red fish you're very obvious to predators. It goes that the most agressive dominating fish would be the brightest colour because it simply dosen't care that its obvious, because that fish is King. The calico blotches that appear after a fade are voluntary in the fish and are present to show submissive social rank. So if you have a blotchy RD or SRT and move him to a tank where he dominates, the blotches will most likely go away.

I'm not sure what SA cichlids fade besides citrinellum and labiatum Red Devil (and even then, there is a natural coloration of A. Citrinellum that is just an extension of the Juvie colors, so it could be said that some midas never fade [I would assume also that these fish aren't as dominating]), but a lot can be gleaned from that fact
since both RD's fade, then faders are

Parrots (all kinds, though some parrots also never fade since they have midas blood)
Red Texas
SRT
Mammon, Ingot, everything else thats pretty much a parrot
Your Fry (but 50% of their genes have this, because I do not believe that texas fade)
and Red devils of all kinds

A Fader Flowerhorn is FH that has a large amount of fading fish blood in it and thus all or part of a fader will fade to yellow/red/orange/gold over time, depending on parentage.

Most RD derivatives fade at about 1 and 1/2 to 2 inches, depending on the personality of the fish and its surroundings. In good water, most of the midas I've raised faded at about 1.75-2 inches, (though I wasn't measuring them). But it all depends. In dirty water in the store I used to work at, the siblings of my midas took several more months to fade completely, and the process overall took longer. I'm sure temp. also has something to do with it.

So the bottom line, around 2 inches hopefully. If you want them to fade faster do lots of water changes and turn the heat up some. Or give them some baby convicts or something to push around. But you can never tell, I have a fader parrot now thats 3 in long and still in his juvie colors. He's a wimp though.

Rambling off.
 
Our parrot is what I would call amedium dark orange alittle oranger than a ripe orange. Would really like to get some purple parrots to breed with the texas. It looks like some of the fry have a little orange on them already but it may also be the light some of them are around half inch now and real chunky. Sure enjoying the help everyone is offering as this is our first project like this when they get a little bigger I will try and post some pics. P.S our other batch just hatched today they are in a 92g corner tank will be neat to see if they grow faster.
 
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