What is this convict?

[Zeon]

He is the yellow one, he had babies with the black convict and she is now out of the tank. Trying to figure out what the babies will look like, I have no idea what this dude is, this is his normal colors even before spawning. I thought he was a yellow convict but I don’t know

 

[duanes]

Here are some true Amatilania nanoluteus to compare (sometimes called a yellow convict)

Males above, females below

 

[Zeon]

Yeah I don’t think he’s pure, but he has the same behavior as them. A lot more shy than my normal convicts

 

[duanes]

In general nanoluteus are much more shy than most other members of Amatitlania (not only the convict), probably because of their mini size.
But as members of the Amatitlania genus all display similar behavior
A. nanolutea and its sister species A. altoflava are found on the southern edge of the Amatitlania geographic range of western Panama,
The closest relatives to Amatitlania I have found, ( here in Central and eastern Panama) where I live are Panamamius panamense.
Very similar behaviors to many other species in the sister genus.

I have kept and bred 6 species from the genus (and its sister genera Panamius, and Crytoheros), but always kept in separate tanks to avoid producing unidentifiable mutts.
Above Panama's panamense (once considered part of Amatitlania)
Below left A myrnae, middle Cryptoheros cutteri, right A sp Honduran Red points

Below A sajica

All with varying degrees of aggressiveness.
The sajica and cutteri have had the largest growth in my tanks.
Both the male sajica (below left) and male cutteri (right) hit at least 8", if not larger.

 

[Zeon]

In general nanoluteus are much more shy than most other members of Amatitlania (not only the convict), probably because of their mini size.
But as members of the Amatitlania genus all display similar behavior
A. nanolutea and its sister species A. altoflava are found on the southern edge of the Amatitlania geographic range of western Panama,
The closest relatives to Amatitlania I have found, ( here in Central and eastern Panama) where I live are Panamamius panamense.
Very similar behaviors to many other species in the sister genus.
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I have kept and bred 6 species from the genus (and its sister genera Panamius, and Crytoheros), but always kept in separate tanks to avoid producing unidentifiable mutts.
Above Panama's panamense (once considered part of Amatitlania)
Below left A myrnae, middle Cryptoheros cutteri, right A sp Honduran Red points
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Below A sajica
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All with varying degrees of aggressiveness.
The sajica and cutteri have had the largest growth in my tanks.
View attachment 1531283Both the male sajica (below left) and male cutteri (right) hit at least 8", if not larger.View attachment 1531281View attachment 1531282

Ok thank you for the help

 

[Matth05]

I believe I’ve read multiple times on this forum that at one point most Amatitlania were just labeled “convicts”, regardless if they were actually nigrofasciata or a different species. Maybe duanes can either correct me on that or confirm it. Like I mentioned in the other post my male convict looks extremely similar. I even went as far as reaching out to the store I purchased him from at one point, trying to see if maybe they knew what he was. No real answers lol. Figured it makes the most sense to just assume they’re just some kind of unique LFS strain “convict”.

 

[duanes]

I must admit if I go into a LFS and they only use common names, I usually walk right out.
To me unless both the scientific and common name are used in tandem, there is less than a 50% chance of getting what you are after., and another 50% chance of getting a hybrid, mutt, which to me, is not worth having.
And as said above, I've seen the term convict used for at least half dozen species..
the common name Pearl cichlid used on a half dozen species, in more than one genus.
and the term red terror used for at least 2 different species, in two different genera.
I have seen African buttikoferi listed as severums, Paratilapia listed as JDs, and many more ridiculous terms.
I did once get a Paratilapia for $1.99 because it was listed as a JD, back in the 80s.
There are many more.
So I will admit I haven't bought a fish from a LFS in probably 2 decades, to me its not worth the eventual trouble eindng up with something as i don;t want, or ending up with a mutt or some mutt that is completely useless as a breeder.

 

[spotfin]

The Nov/Dec 2023 issue of Amazonas magazine has some great articles about the Amatitlania cichlids.