Has anyone ever wondered this? They have the size, they have the powerful jaws, so why in the world can they not hang with a Red Devil! Arg! lol Ive always wanted an O, but both times Ive tried it, its ended in disaster for the O. I can remember that when I was new to fishkeeping that I always thought that O's were these big tough fish. Truth is, they arent tough at all, only dangerous to anything that can fit in their mouths. I guess its like people who are under the misconception that betta's are tough. I remember a time I thought that too, untill I saw 1st hand what a red tail shark can do to a betta in a single day.