yes, more on asian arowanas in the US

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After more research (I really should be working I guess :D ) Some people wont remember, but in 2003, the ESA was ammended to allow "enhancement of survival" permits. This basically allows permits to be given for the "take" of species listed on the ESA AS LONG AS: the take would provide a benefit to the survival of the species.

Now, some things start to make sense. What the USFWS is trying to do is get the breeders to donate money to the conservation efforts. It's not that the USFWS wants the fish to be stocked, it's money. SO, in other words, if we could convince the breeders to donate some portion of the money brought in by the sale of each fish to the conservation efforts, we could apply for import permits.

Chaos32??? Does this sound like what you heard?
 
interesting idea...i would donate for the cause! lol
 
Sounds good. All you need now is for a foreign government to assign the asian aro conservation effort to some department. To date no agency has taken responsibility for any matter relating to the wild asian aro.
 
theres no point in releasing a super red or whatever, these are fish that have been selectively bred by humans, not the true appearence or the decent sized gene pool in the wild. Personally i think you'll be lucky to own one in your lifetime in the US. If it was just down to money you could pay an additional charge on top of your farmed animal/import costs and then everyone could have one.
 
Ahh...as usual its almost about money.:irked:

Nothing for nothing, that doesn't make sense in that the USFWS wants the breeders to "donate" money to the conservation efforts. There is a simpler solution, for fish/permit given, a tax should be applied and that tax is given to a non-profit org to handle the funds for the conservation.

Let's say the breeders sell the fish in the US market, range of 150-1200...depending on the grade of the fish, a 10-30% additional tax should be applied. In essence, the LFS pays for the fish ex:150 for a green aro, they sell it for with a 35% markup (52.50) they price the fish to the hobbyist 205, now at the LFS the stipulation clearly posted and marked "30 Percent Tax Surchage for Conservation", that would make the fish priced @ $266~$275 for a "lowest" grade the green tail. Or, if they want to get crazy..make it a flat $300 for RTG, the $25 charge for necessary paperwork/permit, which that money will go to the USFWS.

So you figure 30% tax =62 + 25= 87 for a rtg, and the higher grades will be a lot more, about 2200 for a red to hobbyist, thats about 500 to USFWS conservation. This will stop knuckle heads from smuggling them in, and I'm sure quite a few ppl will buy the fishes.

I know it may not be a lot of money, but its a start. I doubt breeders want to give up profits, but then again, they would probably benefit over the course of time.

I'm sure if they really wanted to, they can work out a plan that will benefit all, but the most benefitted are the hobbyists if they ever allow importation into the US. :naughty:
 
Why would the USFWS get the money? They have nothing to do with wild asian aro conservation efforts. And, since there is no department in any asian gov't agency overseeing the conservation efforts of wild aros, there's simply no one to send the money to. I'm sure someone will be willing to take your money. But, it won't do anything for the conservation of Scleropages formosus. That's the whole problem. No one is taking the driver's seat on anything concerning wild asian aros. The same goes for donations to help in their conservation. There's no one to send contributions to aid in conservation efforts since there are no efforts being made.
 
wizzin;665663; said:
After more research (I really should be working I guess :D ) Some people wont remember, but in 2003, the ESA was ammended to allow "enhancement of survival" permits. This basically allows permits to be given for the "take" of species listed on the ESA AS LONG AS: the take would provide a benefit to the survival of the species.

Now, some things start to make sense. What the USFWS is trying to do is get the breeders to donate money to the conservation efforts. It's not that the USFWS wants the fish to be stocked, it's money. SO, in other words, if we could convince the breeders to donate some portion of the money brought in by the sale of each fish to the conservation efforts, we could apply for import permits.

Chaos32??? Does this sound like what you heard?
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Well, the Malaysian free trade agreement with the states has stalled & will not likely be ready by July. This agreement also discusses the trade of Asian Aros so it's a bit of a limbo at the moment. The SG trade agreement I haven't heard anything yet.

If what you are quoting is true, then the breeders will have to come up with the money as a form of taxation not the buyers as some here are suggesting. In that scenario, it is likely that the "tax" will be pass on to the buyers in the form of higher prices which are already very very high. It would likely work but does this apply to just those aros to the states or is this across the board? If the aros are reexported from another country & not the country of origin, how does one track if these "duties" are paid?

Once again, like I have mentioned quite a few times, "conservation" in itself in this region is a whole different set of ball game. For certain strains like xbacks, it might be already too late since the stock looks likely to be very severely depleted to the point of extinction. Also breeding aros in the US for instance is unlikely due to weather etc. It is hard enough trying to breed them here I can tell ya :D
 
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