what is the benefit for the wild asian arowanas when the ban is lifted in the US?

krichardson;2626597; said:

When someone spends thousands of dollars for the purchase of a single fish there is no better display of flaunting ones wealth.Its nice that you have a 93 car and can keep it running I have a 95 pontiac myself and most folks I know have used late model cars but expensive cars are bought and sold the world over,didnt start here,wont end here.This stuff you said about rich guys getting robbed and lawsuits and drugs happens everywhere else in the world just like the expensive cars and all of that has nothing to do with randomly getting laid.I dont know who you have been listening to or what television programs you watch but it is sad that you can form an opinion of others based on second hand information.You seem to have no experience with Americans yet you judge them,that is how discrimination and prejudice is born.There may be many Americans living in hong kong but but there are also many Asians of different origins living here,there is a trade off and I dont have a problem with it.I dont think the Americans living in hong kong have the connections for black market fish for a number of reasons and the main ones have to do with Asians protecting their aro secrets and not sharing their profits with 'outsiders'. I also dont see too many Americans relocating just to risk life and or freedom in order to smuggle fish.I happen to know a good deal of aquarium hobbyists who would like to own a Formosus arowana but know that they cannot and they do not whine about it.This thread is ongoing because the same people keep saying the same things back and forth over and over again,not that I have a problem with that as long as misinformation and half truths are not being spewed about other people and places.

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Fish

The lakes of Danau Sentarum are remarkable for their fish diversity, and 240-266 fish species have been identified at the Park and in smaller streams around the area since 1992 (Kottelat, 1995; Widjanarti, 1996; Jeanes and Meijaard, 2000a), including 12-26 new to science. As the lakes measure only 25,000 hectares, this diversity is remarkable when compared to Europe, where a total of only 195 primary freshwater fish are known. In fact, Danau Sentarum harbors one of the world's most diverse fish fauna's of any floodplain lake system: of the 71 tropical and temperate lakes listed for their biodiversity by WCMC WCMC World Conservation Monitoring Centre
WCMC Weill Cornell Medical College
WCMC Westchester Medical Center (Valhalla, NY)
WCMC Weill Cornell Medical Center
WCMC Wildlife Conservation and Management Committee (1992), Danau Sentarum (which is not listed) is surpassed only by Lake Tanganyika and Lake Malawi Ny·as·a , Lake also Lake Malawi

A lake of southeast-central Africa between Tanzania, Mozambique, and Malawi. It was named by David Livingstone in 1899.

Noun 1. . In the Indonesian context Danau Sentarum is also very rich. Kalimantan, with 394 species (including 340 primary freshwater species), has the richest fish fauna of all Indonesian islands (Kottelat et al., 1993). Of these Kalimantan species, 310 have been recorded in the Kapuas River, which is Indonesia's spec ies-richest. The DSNP fish fauna includes two highly popular aquarium fish: the rare and valuable red variety of the endangered Asian Arowana Asian arowana refers to several varieties of freshwater fish in the genus Scleropages. Some sources differentiate these varieties into multiple species,[2][3] while others consider the different strains to belong to a single species, Scleropages formosus or siluk (listed on Appendix I of CITES), and the Clown Loach The clown loach, Chromobotia macracanthus, or tiger botia is a tropical freshwater fish belonging to the Cobitidae (loach) family. It is the sole member of the Chromobotia genus. Botia macracanthus or ulanguli. The latter is only known from Danau Sentarum and several locations in Jambi, Sumatra. The Park also harbors many interesting species from families that are primarily marine, such as soles, stingrays and pufferfish.

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Fish

The lakes of Danau Sentarum are remarkable for their fish diversity, and 240-266 fish species have been identified at the Park and in smaller streams around the area since 1992 (Kottelat, 1995; Widjanarti, 1996; Jeanes and Meijaard, 2000a), including 12-26 new to science. As the lakes measure only 25,000 hectares, this diversity is remarkable when compared to Europe, where a total of only 195 primary freshwater fish are known. In fact, Danau Sentarum harbors one of the world's most diverse fish fauna's of any floodplain lake system: of the 71 tropical and temperate lakes listed for their biodiversity by WCMC WCMC World Conservation Monitoring Centre
WCMC Weill Cornell Medical College
WCMC Westchester Medical Center (Valhalla, NY)
WCMC Weill Cornell Medical Center
WCMC Wildlife Conservation and Management Committee (1992), Danau Sentarum (which is not listed) is surpassed only by Lake Tanganyika and Lake Malawi Ny·as·a , Lake also Lake Malawi

A lake of southeast-central Africa between Tanzania, Mozambique, and Malawi. It was named by David Livingstone in 1899.

Noun 1. . In the Indonesian context Danau Sentarum is also very rich. Kalimantan, with 394 species (including 340 primary freshwater species), has the richest fish fauna of all Indonesian islands (Kottelat et al., 1993). Of these Kalimantan species, 310 have been recorded in the Kapuas River, which is Indonesia's spec ies-richest. The DSNP fish fauna includes two highly popular aquarium fish: the rare and valuable red variety of the endangered Asian Arowana Asian arowana refers to several varieties of freshwater fish in the genus Scleropages. Some sources differentiate these varieties into multiple species,[2][3] while others consider the different strains to belong to a single species, Scleropages formosus or siluk (listed on Appendix I of CITES), and the Clown Loach The clown loach, Chromobotia macracanthus, or tiger botia is a tropical freshwater fish belonging to the Cobitidae (loach) family. It is the sole member of the Chromobotia genus. Botia macracanthus or ulanguli. The latter is only known from Danau Sentarum and several locations in Jambi, Sumatra. The Park also harbors many interesting species from families that are primarily marine, such as soles, stingrays and pufferfish.

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Fish

The lakes of Danau Sentarum are remarkable for their fish diversity, and 240-266 fish species have been identified at the Park and in smaller streams around the area since 1992 (Kottelat, 1995; Widjanarti, 1996; Jeanes and Meijaard, 2000a), including 12-26 new to science. As the lakes measure only 25,000 hectares, this diversity is remarkable when compared to Europe, where a total of only 195 primary freshwater fish are known. In fact, Danau Sentarum harbors one of the world's most diverse fish fauna's of any floodplain lake system: of the 71 tropical and temperate lakes listed for their biodiversity by WCMC WCMC World Conservation Monitoring Centre
WCMC Weill Cornell Medical College
WCMC Westchester Medical Center (Valhalla, NY)
WCMC Weill Cornell Medical Center
WCMC Wildlife Conservation and Management Committee (1992), Danau Sentarum (which is not listed) is surpassed only by Lake Tanganyika and Lake Malawi Ny·as·a , Lake also Lake Malawi

A lake of southeast-central Africa between Tanzania, Mozambique, and Malawi. It was named by David Livingstone in 1899.

Noun 1. . In the Indonesian context Danau Sentarum is also very rich. Kalimantan, with 394 species (including 340 primary freshwater species), has the richest fish fauna of all Indonesian islands (Kottelat et al., 1993). Of these Kalimantan species, 310 have been recorded in the Kapuas River, which is Indonesia's spec ies-richest. The DSNP fish fauna includes two highly popular aquarium fish: the rare and valuable red variety of the endangered Asian Arowana Asian arowana refers to several varieties of freshwater fish in the genus Scleropages. Some sources differentiate these varieties into multiple species,[2][3] while others consider the different strains to belong to a single species, Scleropages formosus or siluk (listed on Appendix I of CITES), and the Clown Loach The clown loach, Chromobotia macracanthus, or tiger botia is a tropical freshwater fish belonging to the Cobitidae (loach) family. It is the sole member of the Chromobotia genus. Botia macracanthus or ulanguli. The latter is only known from Danau Sentarum and several locations in Jambi, Sumatra. The Park also harbors many interesting species from families that are primarily marine, such as soles, stingrays and pufferfish.

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Fishing

The Malay economy revolves entirely around fishing, which is the major source of protein and provides most of the Malay family income (Golfer et al., 2000). When water levels are high, fishing activity is at ebb and carried out for subsistence only. During the onset of the dry season (usually June), as water levels drop, fishing activity picks up, and when the lakes have almost dried out, fishing activity peaks and almost everyone is involved. Fishing practices include the use of a wide range of cast nets, gill nets, fixed nets, funnel nets, lift nets, traps, barriers, hooks-and-lines, and even excavated pits (Giesen, 1987; Dudley, 2000). Most fish are sun-dried and salted, as the remote location excludes the possibility of marketing fresh fish, with the exception of several high-value species. The latter include ornamentals, such as the Clown Loach and the Asian Arowana, but also highly prized food fish such as the Marbled mar·bled
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1. Made of or covered with marble: a marbled façade.

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Adj. 1. Goby goby, common name for a member of the family Gobiidae, small marine fishes familiar in shallow waters, especially along southern shores. Gobies may be either scaled or scaleless; all species have the ventral fins modified into a sucking disk, as in the clingfish of Oxyeleotris marmorata or ikan lemas, Sultan Fish Leptobarbus hoevenii The Sultan fish, Leptobarbus hoevenii, is a fish species native to northern Malaysia, Thailand, and Borneo. It is a primarily freshwater fish. It may reach up to about 60 centimetres (24 in) long. This fish is omnivorous and is a midwater to near bottom dweller. or jelawat, Featherback Chitala lopis or belida and Giant Snakehead Biology

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Channa is a genus of the Channidae family of snakehead fishes. It contains about 29 species. Fish in the genus (called cá lóc in Vietnamese) are prized in Vietnamese cuisine, and are sometimes used as a main ingredient in the sour soup called
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m . The latter three also form the basis for floating cage culture, whereby fish are fattened in captivity before being shipped to market. Certain catfish are processed as smoked fish Smoked fish are fish that have been cured by smoking. Salmon is commonly cold-smoked to make lox, but several other kinds of fish are frequently hot-smoked, such as whitefish, herring, trout, mackerel and sablefish. , and these are mainly Kryptopterus apogon, known locally as lair bemban. Other fish products include fermented fish Fermented fish is an Eskimo food that is eaten raw and frozen. It is a staple part of the diet in many Yupik communities of the Yukon-Kuskokwim Delta. Preparation
Fermented fish is prepared by first digging a hole about two feet in the ground. or buduk, fish crackers or krupuk (for which mainly C. lopis is used), and fish eggs (mainly of Kissing Gouramy, Helostoma temminckii or biawan) (Giesen, 1987; Dudley, 2000). The estimated total annual catch ranges from 7,800-13,000 tons, which is about 97.5-162.5 kg/ha, which is similar to that of the Mahakam Lakes in East Kalimantan (139 kg/ha, Dunn and Otte, 1983) and that of Lake Tonle Sap in Cambodia (147 kg/ha, van Zalinge and Touch, 1996). Each village has a head fisherman or ketua nelayan, who presides over fishing activities and assures that proper practices are adhered to in the villages' fishing area. Certain techniques are prohibited, such as the use of fixed bag nets (jermal) in certain areas, the use of fish poisons, and--strangely enough--the use of earthworms as bait.

The fishing industry is a valuable one. A large (50-60cm), reddish-golden colored Asian Arowana can sell for as much as several hundred US dollars in the lake area, and be worth more than US$1,000 (or even US$ 5,000) by the time it is sold in Jakarta. Marbled Goby, valued locally at about US$10 per kilogram, are shipped live, in oxygenated plastic bags, to markets in Singapore and Japan. Clown Loach are shipped the world over, as they are not bred successfully in captivity. The total value of the market is currently valued at about US$ 2.2 million (Aglionby, 1997), but it should be noted that the Asian Arowana is now very scarce and barely contributes to the local economy.

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Bderick67;2608426; said:

I don't see how it would benefit any "wild" asian aros. With the increased demand I would think it would open the black market to a larger percentage of "wild" collected. So result would hurt wild populations, for this reason it is not likely the ban will be lifted.

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Jeox;2631647; said:

I probibly missed something, and havent read the entire thread, but i've never heard of anyone collecting WILD asian aros.
To me, banning the vastly different captive aros, because the wild ones are endangered, is like banning koi because carp were suddenly endangered.

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