Water changes

Empyreal · Oct 30, 2014

screaminleeman said:
While this is 100% true, it can easily be taken out of context. Several variables should be weighed before it is concluded that water is actually being "wasted".
- The fish keepers should be acutely aware of the general water conditions in their local. If the fish keeper is in a generally drier area with less than average rainfall it is seriously immoral to even be in this hobby. (PERIOD!). You DON'T steal water from another Human Being's life and death needs because you like to keep fish. MOVE to an area with an adequate water supply on a normal basis!
- The seasonal drought condition and source of the water supply should be known.

I live in a rural area with above average precipitation. The water table is currently excellent in the county. My water comes from my personal well. I pay zero for water (except the electricity to pump it up from the well). In addition I have a spring fed farm pond with several 100 gallons per hour feed 24/7/365. Since 1979 the spring has NEVER ran dry in any drought condition faced in Central MD in that time span.

I drain my tanks directly into gardens and plant beds. The water from the change is actually being "recycled" to feed the plants.

I change my 30+ tanks at least 100% per week for 3/4 of the year as I have no good reason not to. I go easy in the Winter because I am a wuss that hates getting cold.

Ouch I Live in Las Vegas obviously desert and I am in the hobby. O yeah and I can't just pick up and move, so I guess is should tell everyone in the hobby in the SW US to get out of the hobby.

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xraycer · Oct 30, 2014

Empyreal said:
Ouch I Live in Las Vegas obviously desert and I am in the hobby. O yeah and I can't just pick up and move, so I guess is should tell everyone in the hobby in the SW US to get out of the hobby.

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You don't have to get out of the hobby, just really, really scale back

Gill Blue · Oct 30, 2014

Empyreal said:
Ouch I Live in Las Vegas obviously desert and I am in the hobby. O yeah and I can't just pick up and move, so I guess is should tell everyone in the hobby in the SW US to get out of the hobby.

actually, I'd expect them to know it's coming already.a few more years and it'll probably be the law anyway.

Dieselhybrid · Oct 30, 2014

Geez man, cali probably has more fish keepers than any other state (guessing)
And the worst drought in ages.

They should all move if they want to keep on in the aquarium trade/hobby? Is that what I'm reading? Hundreds of thousands of fish keepers and dozens of aquarium based trade businesses?

Dieselhybrid · Oct 30, 2014

Gill Blue said:
actually, I'd expect them to know it's coming already.a few more years and it'll probably be the law anyway.

Possible, but I doubt it.

Mandating farms to use timed sprinklers instead of flood irrigation would save exponentially more water than restricting the fish hobby. Having hydraulic fracturing Wells use waste water instead of potable water would also save exponentially more water. There are many other areas where regulation and restriction would be more efficient and upset less people than the aquarium hobby.

Your hearts are in the right place but your minds..

I'm in no way advocating wasting a limited resource unnecessarily. But banning the hobby sounds harsh, especially with other more effective conservation methods not yet utilized.

Dieselhybrid · Oct 30, 2014

To the OP. One of my tanks is on a drip, I change about 30% volume daily. It's a heavily stocked 720. It's water is from the lake my house sits on so no conditioners or anything. It goes through a particle filter and UV in the boathouse before being pumped into the house. The other tank at this house gets about 60-80% change twice a week. Again very heavily stocked so this is needed to keep nitrates in check.

All of my tanks in the desert at my other home are manual water changes. 50-70% per change. Usually weekly or twice weekly. I think 100% is overboard for most fish people keep but if you're heavily stocked you may need larger water changes. If you do large water changes do them frequently. If I've gone more than a week I'll start with smaller changes to prevent a big swing in water values between the tanks and tap.

ragin_cajun · Oct 30, 2014

Uhhh....water is actually NOT a limited resource. It is a "sustainable" resource, we have the exact same water on tbe planet we've always had. There is NO reason at all that we couldn't have as much water as we want in Western states. The obstacle is legal, regulatory, invented out of thin air by people--not physical or technical.

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Dieselhybrid · Oct 30, 2014

ragin_cajun said:
Uhhh....water is actually NOT a limited resource. It is a "sustainable" resource, we have the exact same water on tbe planet we've always had. There is NO reason at all that we couldn't have as much water as we want in Western states. The obstacle is legal, regulatory, invented out of thin air by people--not physical or technical.

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I agree, it's logistics and politics.

My wording was poor previously thank you. Clean water is a limited resource, not water in general. I made a comprehensive assumption.

Empyreal · Oct 31, 2014

ragin_cajun said:
Uhhh....water is actually NOT a limited resource. It is a "sustainable" resource, we have the exact same water on tbe planet we've always had. There is NO reason at all that we couldn't have as much water as we want in Western states. The obstacle is legal, regulatory, invented out of thin air by people--not physical or technical.

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True but the allocation of it, combined with drought years puts burdens in certain areas. In the SW the majority of our water comes from the Colorado River which has been decreasing in flow and volume rapidly over the years since development in the west. Does everyone know that the Colorado River water is divided up use between California, Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, and Mexico. Think about that lol. In the meantime the Casinos are continued to allowed to use thousand of gallons of water in the middle of the Las Vegas 120 degree weather for their fountains and water shows. But yeah I guess can't enjoy a hobby, that ads a lot of value to my life. Maybe all us in the West should move back to the East where you guys have plenty of water so you can share

ragin_cajun · Oct 31, 2014

I think we can figure out how to get all the water Western states need to Western states. Nobody needs to move back East, shut down their farm, or give up their aquarium. This is America. We put men on the moon, cured Polio, built the Hudson Canal and then filled it back in, we built the Panama Canal. without putting a whole lot of thought into it, I'd say this....the country's already criss-crossed by natural gas pipelines. Why not just build some water pipelines, draw water out of the Mississippi River and just pump it out west? Maybe there's some existing reservoirs in Western states that could hold the water because they're currently low? Maybe California could build a bunch of Desalination plants since they have plenty of saltwater nearby. Plenty of freshwater runs down out of the Rocky Mountains every spring, maybe we could just figure a way to collect more of it?

There's no water shortage out West. There's an ingenuity shortage. It's just nobody's put their mind to it, yet.


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