Exactly. The only guy I know of in our area just lost his female to the male, and then his male was killed when he tried to move it into a community tank. Such a shame, it was a gorgeous wild caught pair. JK47 has a dozen fry from them, hopefully he will get a pair or two out of them. I think it's kind of turned me off to them honestly.festae seem to be odd like that wich concerns me. i have a few festae pairs. so far nothing as close to a death but i give many hiding spots so if the female needs to get away she can. in my 150 i have the nicest male and female ive ever seen. they are my pride n joy. i keep the closest eye on them the male is 14+ and the female is 10. they get along great. but i know they can snap at any moment. this is another reason festae is so rare. you may have a pair that produces 5 batches of fry and everything is going great. one morning youl wake up to a murdered something and be finished. and we all know how hard it is to reintroduce a large festae and have them just hit it off. just some of the ups n downs of keeping the terror. good luck to all festae keepers. it is deff a challenge sometimes