Hole in Head-Gars

thatdudeoverthere21

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I cant get enough information out of you MosterMinis haha. Thank you for all the information. I will try these things every once and while and see how they are. Can i ask how long it took for your TSN to get 20"+? Mines at about 15" and he hasnt grown to much more which worries me also. I feel like they are all under stress but all my fish interact with each other how you would normally think. I posted a thread about stunted growth with the concern that they might be. Thanks again for all the help and information! i will defiantly try and use some of your suggestions
 

Polypterus

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Our TSN is a real punk too.. at 20"+ he still won't eat pellets. But the massivore is better imo then other pellets out there. might also try adding NLS pellets and simply adding as diverse a mix of foods as they will take ( I avoid pellets as much as I can w/ wheat/corn as much as possible, NLS is one of the better if not the best imo). Massivore is mainly for predatory fish but imo isn't better then live/frozen foods. also try cuts of other fish. salmon while oily and a pita to deal with and can be stinky is a great treat now and then. I feed it the night before I do a water change. Chicago iir has a nice fresh fish market... may be worth checking out as well for good deals on fresh foods for your fish. I often get enough salmon/seafood ect for our dinner and a lil' extra and trim it up nice and toss the fish the scraps while i'm cooking up the families portion.

Garlic also seems to help, just buy a chunk from the store mash it up and soak some pellets for a few minutes before feeding... a lot cheaper then buying the Garlic-X and whatever additives they are selling now.. and you know it's 100% garlic lol. 1/2 a clove to a handful of pellets should be plenty, mix abit of water into it if your worried its won't disperse well enough. Our bullet blender works awesome for this kinda stuff.. pop a small clove a splash of water... puree the crap outta it, unscrew the blade toss the pellets in and just let it soak giving it a stir or 2 to coat everything well.

If you want to go realll crazy.. for awhile I made my own food mix w/ knox gel... pureed fish, worms, pellets, garlic, veggies... and let it set on a pan... a quick search will show you a few threads of making your own foods as well. I just don't have the extra time to do this anymore and its best to have a dedicated blender ect for doing it as well lol. But my fish did go crazy for it.

with issues like this.. husbandry husbandry husbandry... the better your overall water conditions are, the better foods your feeding... the less likely such things happen.

I've noticed a huge decrease in issues over the past few years just by focusing on trying to constantly improve my water, food, and stress I put on my fish. instead of focusing on my tanks when fish get sick.. I always try and be ahead of it by asking "what can I do better?" probably why I love this hobby and my fish so much.. I'm always tinkering with how to improve things.
What made you stop making your own food mixes? Honestly that is the only way I go now these days. It can be time consuming and messy but it is by far the best method to feed specific fish a specific diet.
 

thatdudeoverthere21

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HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My gar. He's getting worse :(. I have no clue whats happening to him! His head is getting worse, and now he's developing like what fungus on his back. Im gonna post pictures of him, but please help me! What is happening and how do i prevent it from my other gar getting it (btw my other one is getting very better for those who read from the beginning) and how do i stop it from spreading and getting worse.
He is a longnose gar, ive had him for about 7-8 months. He's about 14-15" and in a 180g. 6'x2'x2'. I feed him frozen silver sides, brine shrimp, rarely live flathead minnows, and massivore delights. I have increased to about a 40g weekly water change.
He is one of my favorite fish in my tank. I dont believe he is stressed out or that my tank is over stocked. I have a Pbass thats about 16", common pleco 16", TSN 15" and another longnose thats about the same size 13-14". He's still active and eats everything, he is acting perfectly normal.
If you look closely at one of the pictures of the close up on his back, it looks like there is blood on his back. The white on his back looks similar to mold on strawberries.
I dont know if i should try some of that metro medicine i mentioned earlier, maybe some aquarium salt if it is type of fungus. Should i increase my water changes and the amount of water i take out?
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Leo1234

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How is the gar now? I hope It lives. I wish I could help but i do not know anything about this disease. Please update what happens.
 

HungDang

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hmm, how did I missed this? anyway, take the damn pleco out! .................................................................................... oh well, he made a new thread about this, that's why I didn't say anything on this thread back then.
 

thatdudeoverthere21

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Sep 9, 2013
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The pleco left him alone after. I didnt take it out until last Friday. They left each other alone. No more issues. The gars head erosion is still there. The smaller of the two has gone away almost completely gone. The bigger one hasnt changed at all.
They act normal and are very active actually. They eat literally anything i drop in the tank, including my fingers haha. I dont even have the food in the water before they start snapping at it. (For those of you who say you need to feed them more, i feed them on the daily of whatever i bought at that time, could be a variety of things)
 

MonsterMinis

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Sorry I've been MIA... lol Had a baby... Looks like a secondary infection. iir the smaller one looked better? the larger one may simply need more time/address other issues. How is it looking now? new pic?

And I stopped making my own food mixture when I started popping out kids... lol Hoping to pick it back up this coming summer ( no more kids!)
 

thatdudeoverthere21

Feeder Fish
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Sep 9, 2013
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Congrats with the kids!
The smaller one is getting better. Almost fully gone! The bigger is the same. Not getting better or worse. I'll post new pics here soon.

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