RIP......

[Red Devil]

geez how big are those massivore pellets? I can't believe that could kill fish... I also am curious if it could have been a ph shock? did you test the ph? mabye with the water change and then adding the prime there was too much of a fluctuation especially if ph is high then that ammonia and nitrite would be even more toxic... so sorry for you loss those were some nice fishes!!!

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Crude fat

5.0% min​

Crude fiber

3.0% max​

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10.0% max​

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17.0% max​

Phosphorus

1.0% min​

Typical Analysis:Crude protein

51.0% min​

Crude fat

10.0% min​

Crude fiber

0.9% max​

Crude ash

14.0% max​

Phosphorus

2.0% min​

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48,000 IU/kg (21,700 IU/lb)​

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180 mg/kg (81.8 mg/lb)​

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9,600 IU/kg (4,350 IU/lb)​

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16 mg/kg (7.26 mg/lb)​

:Jon Leeke
Portland, ME
Once my Columbian Sharks got 1' long, I had a heck of a time feeding them. All the shrimp pellets were too small to be noticed (or they didn't care for them any more). With this product, though, they gobble it right up! I'm very pleased with it and so are they! Its great food for the right fish..

 

[L A R R Y]

not written in stone... and this does not mean that this definitly happened... it is what i think happened though,..... i still believe that massivore pellets was the a culprit... dats,arowana and clown knife fish are predators and can eat this food and thrive... but giving these to cichlids i learned first hand that it can kill... meant for my clown knife my severum ate the pellet instead... next day it was dead...sometimes it is a slow death and bloat etc sets in.. and it does not happen to every cichlid.. but ciclids are at risk...they should not be fed the massiovore ...

It wasn't intended that your mentioning that massivore was the definitive culprit of what caused the deaths, it was meant to say that was a suggestion of yours. Sometimes things don't get typed as they are flowing through my head

 

[L A R R Y]

geez how big are those massivore pellets? I can't believe that could kill fish... I also am curious if it could have been a ph shock? did you test the ph? mabye with the water change and then adding the prime there was too much of a fluctuation especially if ph is high then that ammonia and nitrite would be even more toxic... so sorry for you loss those were some nice fishes!!!

Normally, I don't check the PH but I will check it periodically

 

[Red Devil]

It wasn't intended that your mentioning that massivore was the definitive culprit of what caused the deaths, it was meant to say that was a suggestion of yours. Sometimes things don't get typed as they are flowing through my head

i am glad you mentioned it... i would be like you and question and question until i knew for certain... and even now i don't know why your fish died for certain... it is just my theory.. because it happened to me...

 

[balton777]

not written in stone... and this does not mean that this definitly happened... it is what i think happened though,..... i still believe that massivore pellets was the a culprit... dats,arowana and clown knife fish are predators and can eat this food and thrive... but giving these to cichlids i learned first hand that it can kill... meant for my clown knife my severum ate the pellet instead... next day it was dead...sometimes it is a slow death and bloat etc sets in.. and it does not happen to every cichlid.. but ciclids are at risk...they should not be fed the massiovore ...

Sorry Liz, no disrespect intended, but I have to disagree on this one. Massivore is fine for cichlids imo.
I've never lost a single cichlid to bloat and mine eat it daily along with NLS.

 

[Red Devil]

Sorry Liz, no disrespect intended, but I have to disagree on this one. Massivore is fine for cichlids imo.
I've never lost a single cichlid to bloat and mine eat it daily along with NLS.

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how big are your cichlids... well anyway.. i am glad it works for you..


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Feed once a day, an amount your fish will eat within a few minutes. Carnivorous fish may resist a new type of food when changing from live foods or less protein rich diets, continued use will assure acceptance. Care should be taken to avoid over-feeding and always remove uneaten food after the feeding period. Note:®HIKARI TROPICAL MASSIVORE DELITE™ contains higher levels of natural ingredients which may cause a slight change in color from one production lot to another. Rest assured because of our rigid quality standards each package meets our superior nutritional specifications. Developed, produced and packaged in our facilities so we can be assured you’ll always get the ®Hikari quality you expect!
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Crude ProteinCrude FatCrude FiberMoistureCrude AshPhosphorusmin. 47%min. 5.0%max. 3.0%max. 10%max. 17%min.1.0%ri themself only recommend this food to large monster fish... so i am glad you fish have no problems...

 

[navygirl76]

wow im so sorry for your loss! youre GT and festae were absolutely beautiful-whether it was the massiovore or not i cant say, but if that was the ONLY change you have made then it may end up being that.. i dont know.

they looked to be really healthy fish-hopefully no one else is affected by whatever is going on in the tank!

 

[balton777]

how big are your cichlids... well anyway.. i am glad it works for you..

I'm sorry you had a bad experience but you only cited one example and it's not even a definite cause of death. "meant for my clown knife my severum ate the pellet instead... next day it was dead..." I can't believe that because your severum ate one pellet that the next day it was dead from the pellet. My fish are all different sizes from 3" to 13". I think Polomax uses Massivore for his cichlids too and his fish are always healthy as can be. I really believe Larry's cichlid's cause of death is from something else.

 

[Red Devil]

I'm sorry you had a bad experience but you only cited one example and it's not even a definite cause of death. "meant for my clown knife my severum ate the pellet instead... next day it was dead..." I can't believe that because your severum ate one pellet that the next day it was dead from the pellet. My fish are all different sizes from 3" to 13". I think Polomax uses Massivore for his cichlids too and his fish are always healthy as can be. I really believe Larry's cichlid's cause of death is from something else.

This is true..one example only.. beautiful severum ...my best one lost.. i saw it eat them... although i tried to avoid it.. two pellets at least.. now i feed the massivore with thongs and put them in the clown knifes cave.. in case i am right ..just be cautious..

 

[L A R R Y]

wow im so sorry for your loss! youre GT and festae were absolutely beautiful-whether it was the massiovore or not i cant say, but if that was the ONLY change you have made then it may end up being that.. i dont know.

they looked to be really healthy fish-hopefully no one else is affected by whatever is going on in the tank!

The feeding of massivore was the only change that I did, and it was a very light feeding to see how they would take it. They all were healthy vibrant fish, no one was skiddish in the tank, they all swam around with the occasional chasing that didn't last more than a few seconds. I do not know what the cause was, but I want to explore every possibility of what caused it. Could have been with the w/c as we have experienced some rain this week so I do not know if that day the water dept had done something different over the time we got rain.....

shrugs shoulders