The Evil Malaysian Trumpet Snail of Death

jstehman

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I'm sorry that you lost your fish.

You said you are sifting the substrate to pick out the snails? I dont know if ive seen that before. How big are your trumpet snails?



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ocellatus

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I think that many of us have more MTS than we think. Ever turn on the light in the middle of the night?

I've kept them in large quantities for years without any noticeable effect on water parameters. Certainly an interesting discussion though.

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FriedFlowerHornFillet

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I love my MTS's! They keep the substrate down. I've never had any problems with mine- However if you really want them gone an Indian Dwarf Puffer will eat them all. They don't crush and make a mess either they just pull them out.
 

skjl47

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I think that many of us have more MTS than we think. Ever turn on the light in the middle of the night?
I've kept them in large quantities for years without any noticeable effect on water parameters. Certainly an interesting discussion though.

O
Hello; Yes I have turned on the lights and seen the MTS out and about. I have had the MTS in tanks with populations ranging from fairly low to so many they were all over the tank even with the lights on. I have had them in tanks for over 50 years. I also seriously doubt that the snails caused the problems described by the OP.
 

ocellatus

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Right now I have one tank with a particularly large population of MTS, and find it kind of amusing to see them emerge at dusk, leaving all sorts of trails through the sand substrate.

They sure keep the crypts clean!

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LAQ

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Hey folks--

Wanted to give you an update like I said I would. I lowered the amount of food I feed my fish (now they go crazy when I walk in the room like the fish at the LFS, but oh well), and I also stopped putting algae pellets in the water. The 6 assassin snails seem to be doing their job too.

I did a small water add and just put a little bit of the fresh water with my regular chems in at a time, watched the fish to make sure they weren't having trouble, and then did that several times until the bucket was empty.

For the next water change cycle , I took out a small amount of water and did the same thing with the fresh water and chem add. No problems! I'll keep the percentage down from where I used to--especially since I don't have very many fish, and the ones I have a small for a 60 gallon tank.

I removed about 50 MTS one week, and about another 50 a week later, and now they seem to have reduced significantly in number. I'm getting a little algae build up, but it's good enough for my nerites--so I'm fine with a little algae.

Seems like the problem was the enormous change in water makeup from the before and after the water change, and that I was doing 50%. I am certain there are some unexplained things that were going on, but I'm sticking with it being the over population of the MTS and the level of bio waste they were producing that made up the water condition, which was dramatically changed when I did a large percentage water change. You can doubt it if you want. Based on my research prior, and my own findings after, this is what seems to be the reason.

Good news is, now I can start to build my cyp collection again!

Thanks again for everyone's input. Sometimes there are things you just have to learn the hard way.

Why the need for Chems??? Your water in Irvine will be just fine. Your Tangs will benefit more from consistency. I have kept Lake Tanganyikans (from Cyps to shellies to Fronts and Gibs) for over 2 decades and have always had more success with frequent/regular PWC. All that I have needed is a dose of Prime or its equivalent. Leaving the PH and Salinity alone. The fish will adapt and be happier without introducing chems.....
 

Ryan_R

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An explosion in snails means that something else is happening.

Snails alone just don't put that much bioload on a system.... unless the bio-filtration was on the fringe to begin with.

-Ryan
 
I successfully kept Malawi cichlids for 6 or so years. My biggest problem was they kept breeding, and my elaborate hardscape made it impossible to remove the new critters from the tank.

I eventually got fed up with the mbuna’s level of aggression, but wanted to stick with the hobby, so I decided on switching to a Tanganyika tank, and focus on more peaceful cyprichromis—which I think are beautiful.

Circumstances required me to switch my glass tank to acrylic, and my fluorescent bulb to LED. I was able to design a multi-substrate environment, and include plants for the first time, since mbuna destroy them.

I was excited about my new tank. My biggest new challenge was finding where I could buy these rare fish. After not finding any near me and exhausting all the LFS with my calls, I eventually drove far, and farther still until I got a very nice collection of cyprichromis leptosoma and a few different shell dwelling cichlids (shellies). I loved my new tank, and my beautiful new fish. I waited for the males to mature and start coloring up. Eventually the tails started getting yellow, then the bodies turned purple and a sort of orange (kitumba)—and, they weren’t killing each other!

Because of my new increased lighting, I then started getting a bloom of algae. I reduced the hours of lighting, didn’t over feed, put more plants in the tank and started trying an algae chemical additive. Nothing was working and I was literally scrubbing rocks and shells with a toothbrush to keep my tank clean.

Then enters the evil Malaysian trumpet snails of death (MTS). I did a little research online, obviously not enough. I ordered some online, and got some nerite snails from my LFS. It wasn’t long after, that my tank looked bright and shiny again. It was awesome! I did notice a proliferation of MTS, but it didn’t seem to bother me since I knew they were also helping aerate the substrate.

I am the kind of hobbyist that takes a lot of time to make sure my tank and fish are healthy and clean—it’s a workout, but I feel an obligation to these animals under my care, and I enjoy watching them more when everything is healthy; so I do regular water changes. It drew time for a regular water change, and everything was going well, as usual. The fish seem to enjoy the water change—don’t ask me why, but they seem to get frisky with each other when the new water is being added.

To my utter shock, some of my fish started struggling and swimming sideways. I didn’t know what was happening. I instantly went into critical care mode. I grabbed the affected fish and began putting them in my hospital tank. Honestly, the rest is still too painful for me to relate in any more detail. Let me just say, that I lost almost all of my fish, and I did lose all of my cyprichromis. They were my pests first, but it was at $300 that I stopped counting the cost as well.

I’m leaving out some irrelevant details for brevity, but I had to know what happened to my fish so it would never happen again. In six plus years of keeping fish I had never had such a catastrophic tragedy as this. I was devastated. I have a chemical test kit and I went to work. Everything looked awesome, except nitrates. I did a thorough amount of research and based on my care habits, the only possible answer was the increased waste being produced by the MTS. What I learned was that they were producing the additional waste and altering my tank’s chemistry. Since the increase was gradual, my fish adapted and didn’t show any signs of stress or anything negative for that matter. With the sudden change in the water chemistry from the water change, the fish went into shock and died. Very sad.

But how could a few MTS affect the water chemistry of a 60 gallon tank you ask? I originally bought about 10 MTS. With a sifter I now remove 50 – 70 MTS a week! They have infested my tank!

I have since started restocking my tank with cyprichromis (cyps), and have added 10 new little friends called assassin snails. They are attacking and eating the excess MTS I can’t get to, and I have to say, I get a little satisfaction from using an organic removal method. I actually think the assassin snails look cool, so that’s a plus.

I have reduced the amount I feed my fish even more, and I have stopped putting algae pellets in the tank to feed my nerites—sorry guys. Desperate times…

Of course, the main solution is to have lower percentage of water changes---at least until I get the nitrate/snail situation under control. Then I might gradually go back to the percentage that worked before the invasion of the Evil Malaysian Trumpet Snails of Death.

Consider this a warning if you are thinking of getting these snails. Find another way to solve your algae or aerations problems—trust me. They are far more trouble than they are worth!
I love MTS! Your story leaves out the most important factor, you may have been overfeeding to begin with. I find the MTS numbers are controlled by the amount of food I feed my fish.

Massive snail die off could cause a lot of problems though - but they are so hardy... In any event my Goldfish love to chomp on young MTS and they keep my substrate clean.
 
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