Lol the pics of my discus were taken about the second day after I got them, so hopefully they colour up more. The discus are about 5 inches big and are white butterflies more expensive then regular blood pigeon's because ive never heard of them. Hopefully my rays will breed soon (i just love them!!!) , they're getting to be around breeding size the male is about 9-9.5 inches and the female is about half an inch smaller and I do a 30% water change about every 3 days. The only thing is, I dont think my male has fully grown claspers, the claspers are about 3/4 of an inch. I can clearly see them its just they arent as big as some of the other rays pics of claspers ive seen. Could it be he's just smaller there than other rays lmao, Are these long enough for breeding???