Oh wow! Full grown, largest I’ve seen of a devil at a petsmart or petco was a 7 incher that finally was bought just before I tried to get it...By banded lepornius and red devil I mean full grown adult ones. For some reason the petco(s) near me have more than usual amount of pike cichlids.
Only at lfs have I seen large Leporinus.
Almost no pikes whenever I look.