Sorry but it was going off topic. There are lots of threads about the origin and how to breed them. A simple search pulls up lots of threads on those types of topics...I found it useful to understand exactly what it was that defines and leads to an EBJD. It may have been a waste you YOUR time, but I found it helpful since I was following the thread. I was curious to know what a quality EBJD is as well, but people's points seemed pretty subjective, so this gave some context for me to take peoples opinions in with.