Ponds are cheaper yes, easier to filter, rays are really in my opinion more beautiful from the top, and the main reason is there is only 1 species of freshwater stingrays that stay under 3.5 ft disk width...
why do you choose ponds over tanks?
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Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a retic at 42"? Or a histrix? Or a Scobina? Or a orb? A Humerosa? Ive never even seen a leo that big. Nor a motoro. Yes, tigers will get that big, along with a coupole others, but only one staying under 3.5'?
Sorry about the ranting, I dont know what came over me but I ddont like it when people say there are no rays that stay smaller. That and I think rays are awsome swimming up the glass
LOL thats funny... ever heard of oliver luncanis?? He regulary collects rays from South America... Tea Cup rays are the only species that has a disk width of under 3.5 ft...all others have been proven to get that large... www.belowwater.com
ummm, teacups arn't even a species. They refer to rays such as retics usually.
I'll belive that he collects them that size when you show me a pic on that site with a tape measure right next to the ray. Now I will assume that by teacup you mean a retic, but I have never heard of a histrix even reaching 20" along with a few other species.
As far as I am concerned, there are very few rays actually getting that big. Provide me with proof and I will back down.
I'll belive that he collects them that size when you show me a pic on that site with a tape measure right next to the ray. Now I will assume that by teacup you mean a retic, but I have never heard of a histrix even reaching 20" along with a few other species.
As far as I am concerned, there are very few rays actually getting that big. Provide me with proof and I will back down.
Ok i left a email with Lucannis... He called me today and told me why he doesnt collect freshwater stingrays from South America anymore... There is only one species ( true teacups not retics) that stay under 3.5 ft disk width... Retics are sold as teacups ALL the time... in fact i wouldnt be suprised if you have never even seen a true teacup ray... VERY rarely collected and i have only seen them once. i would guess 98% of teacups are sold as retics, because they look exactly the same when small. I have no picture proof, however if you need further proof call up lucanis himself! The main reason he doesnt collect them is because of there enourmous adult size. BTW an old friend of mine had a pair of retics for 13 years in a 1200 gallon system, they were in the 45-48 inch range.ummm, teacups arn't even a species. They refer to rays such as retics usually.
I'll belive that he collects them that size when you show me a pic on that site with a tape measure right next to the ray. Now I will assume that by teacup you mean a retic, but I have never heard of a histrix even reaching 20" along with a few other species.
As far as I am concerned, there are very few rays actually getting that big. Provide me with proof and I will back down.
Do you have pictures of them? Because I will be honest, I really dont belive that.
And I have NEVER heard about a teacup being a true species of ray. Most likely is because they always refer to retics. And retics are not always sold as teacups. I bought one about a month ago sold as a retic.
While i will agree some get that big, tigers, maybe leos, some small eyed rays, I do not believe that only one species stays under 3.5'
And I have NEVER heard about a teacup being a true species of ray. Most likely is because they always refer to retics. And retics are not always sold as teacups. I bought one about a month ago sold as a retic.
While i will agree some get that big, tigers, maybe leos, some small eyed rays, I do not believe that only one species stays under 3.5'
YEPOk i left a email with Lucannis... He called me today and told me why he doesnt collect freshwater stingrays from South America anymore... There is only one species ( true teacups not retics) that stay under 3.5 ft disk width... Retics are sold as teacups ALL the time... in fact i wouldnt be suprised if you have never even seen a true teacup ray... VERY rarely collected and i have only seen them once. i would guess 98% of teacups are sold as retics, because they look exactly the same when small. I have no picture proof, however if you need further proof call up lucanis himself! The main reason he doesnt collect them is because of there enourmous adult size. BTW an old friend of mine had a pair of retics for 13 years in a 1200 gallon system, they were in the 45-48 inch range.
I cant believe you have never heard of teacups??? They look almost identical to retics but stay smaller... like a dwarf ray... Believe what you want man, I know the truth... Seriously go call up Oliver Lucannis the f'in Amazon Expert, and he will set you straight!
